有关前卫与衣阿华的北大西洋演习
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mathewwu 楼主
有关1953年9月北约演习中伊阿华号与前卫号的报道,可信的文字有MalcolmMuir的Iowa-classbattleships一书第31页 ”在北大西洋中伊阿华号曾达到左右各26度的横摇(而同时间前卫号则经历到15度横摇)。”
皇家海军协会2007年10月期刊第18-19页 ”演习遭遇极其恶劣的天后,最后在HMSDiamond和HMSSwiftsure相撞后被迫放弃。前卫号表现亮眼,以26节的航速下还只有12度的横摇…顶着狂风(directlyinto the gale. 按蒲式风级” gale”是34-40节的风速)船首几乎都能排开浪涛,反观伊阿华号的表现则不怎么好,横摇经常到达26度,连舰桥都被浪花遮蔽了。鹰号也比较大的美军(艾色克斯级)航母较能保持干燥…”
另前卫官网说法也差不多。
1953年9月那场北大西洋的演习,除了证明在高海况下前卫比衣阿华适航性优秀外,两舰根本没有海上炮战科目,对陆火力支援科目也因为海况太恶劣导致撞船事故而取消了。
以上几篇够权威有出处的有关演习的报道,只有描述英国战列舰和航母适航性胜过美舰的故事,没有任何前卫与衣阿华曾经对战的故事,如果真有比出高下,能不大书特书? 英美两国用的是英语,自然以英语资料为准,谣言可以终止了吧
实体出版书 Malcolm Muir's Iowa-class battleships, p. 31 :
"During a NATO operation in the North Atlantic in September 1953, the Iowaregistered a 26° roll each way (at the same time, HMS Vanguard experienced a 15° roll)."
皇海协会官刊 The Official Journal of the Royal Navy Association, October 2007, pp. 18-19 :
"After taking her place as Home Fleet flagship in the line at Spithead on 15th June, the September 1953 NATO exercise ‘Mariner’ was the largest to date and covered the entire Atlantic and Channel areas from Norway to Gibraltar. Convoys were formed and escorted against aircraft and submarine attack whilst the Striking fleet moved north towards Denmark Strait in the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap. This comprised USS IOWA, three American cruisers, two ‘Essex’ Class carriers, HMCS Quebec and seventeen destroyers, (including trios of ‘Daring’s’, ‘Weapons’ and ‘Battles’), whilst the Heavy Squadron, comprising HMS Vanguard, Eagle, and Sheffield (replacing Theseus on ‘Flail’ duties), joined from Invergorden. The whole exercise took place in atrocious weather conditions which not only hindered but curtailed many intended operations and ultimately led to abandonment after the collision between HMS Diamond and Swiftsure.
However the 'star' of the show was HMS Vanguard alone able to steam at 26 knots with no more than a 12 degree roll. “With hardly a movement on her and the spray flying out from either bow . . . directly into the gale . . . a magnificent sight that few of us will ever forget”. Interestingly, USS Iowa did not perform nearly so well, frequently rolling to 26 degrees with her bridge hidden in spray. Eagle also appeared drier than the larger American carriers.
HMS Vanguard was later directed towards an enemy raider (HMS Sureswift) and being judged undamaged from a bomb attack by US Skyraider aircraft in error, she proceeded to engage and ‘sink’ the cruiser." (bold emphasis added)
前卫官网 http://battleshiphmsvanguard.homestead.com/19534.html
After summer leave Vanguard left Portsmouth in September for Invergordon, which appeared to have become our northen base. Later in the month we met up with other ships of the Home Fleet and together with elements of the American Fleet, including the battleship USS Iowa, held a NATO exercise called 'Mariner'. The weather we experienced out in the Atlantic and the Denmark Strait was atrocious. Strange as it may seem , I felt quite alright in the roughest of seas but once in calmer waters the gentle roll would upset my stomach. The trouble with Vanguard was that it was so big it would take a considerable time to stop rolling. It was here that Vanguard proved herself. During the exercise she was the only ship that could travel at speed through the rough seas and her performance at this was better than that of the Iowa. After travelling some 800 miles north of John O'Groats we anchored at Greenock on 3 October 1953 at the end of the exercise. A few days later we sailed to Invergordon and then to Portland. Two days later we steamed home to Portsmouth.
这些文字我十年前就贴出过了,现在找不到了,只好复读一遍。
2022年04月22日 09点04分 1
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@azis99 新贴
2022年04月22日 10点04分 2
level 12
请教一下,这个“海上炮战科目”如果真的有那是如何进行的?(实弹?估计?)那些所谓的成绩实际上有可能得到吗,还是说可以作为证伪的依据:因为不可能出结果,所以有结果一定是假的?
2022年04月22日 10点04分 4
见楼下。
2022年04月22日 10点04分
@mathewwu 谢谢,受教了。这要是歪打正着就只能自认倒霉了吧[你懂的]
2022年04月22日 11点04分
level 12
依阿华应该不能代表美系战列舰的适航能力,毕竟巴拿马运河限制了他的宽度。
2022年04月22日 10点04分 5
@Doyle 新锐美舰适航最好的是南达,南达的方形系数最高
2022年04月23日 04点04分
@Doyle 北卡的适航性你得问问华盛顿号的舰队司令
2022年05月19日 06点05分
北卡南胖来代表吗?还是21节老爷军团
2022年04月22日 11点04分
@莱恩🦁泰格🐯 之前看到过资料说北卡适航能力不错的,不亚于乔五。
2022年04月22日 11点04分
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mathewwu 楼主
有一种舰对舰实弹打靶科目叫做“实舰偏移射击训练 offset battle practice”。
实施方式见:
火控小知识:如何校射舰炮?
http://www.warships.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3298
史实记录有1943年7月的美舰阿拉巴马号对英舰安森号,见:
炮术革命:二战快速战列舰的炮术(三:打靶案例)- 完
http://www.warships.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6271
2022年04月22日 10点04分 6
这里也有实舰偏移射击的说明 http://www.warships.com.cn/thread-6241-1-1.html
2022年04月23日 06点04分
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mathewwu 楼主
实弹取下武装引信换上等重哑引信后可以触水不炸,但仍然产生可供校射观测的水柱,可以用来取代无爆药的专用靶弹。
2022年04月22日 10点04分 7
level 15
26度肯定对炮术有影响,但应该还在衣阿华火控能处理的范围内
2022年04月22日 13点04分 9
@mathewwu 26度 大口径炮的供蛋 装填这些 受影响多大?
2022年05月20日 01点05分
@拉普拉斯变换- 要在-26度横摇时发射,射角最多只能到+19度,因为主炮塔最大仰角只有45度。而高平炮火控的稳定仪最大设计角度就大得多,因为炮塔仰角有85度。
2022年05月19日 17点05分
26度碰触自动瞄准底线了,再下去就半人工或人工(追针和眼瞄水线)瞄准,在高海况下精度堪虑。不过可以适时改变航向减轻横摇影响。
2022年04月22日 17点04分
@mathewwu 是指挥仪性能的不足?超过了其对自身进行稳定的角度限制了吗。
2022年05月19日 06点05分
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支持马老终结留言[吐舌][真棒]
2022年04月22日 16点04分 10
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马老出手,非同凡响[惊哭]
2023年10月24日 11点10分 11
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