青山美沙生与蒂法关系的考据
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2025年02月19日 11点02分 1
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1What is Can Can Bunny Extra? Its a Eroge (erotic game) visual novel created of the by Cocktail Soft in 1993, the story is about a guy that can't get a girlfriend so a Goddess comes to help him out by granting him the power to get seven beautiful women to fall in love with him.
什么是 Can Can Bunny Extra?这是 Cocktail Soft 于 1993 年创作的色情游戏视觉小说,故事讲述一个找不到女朋友的男人,于是女神来帮助他,赋予他让七个美女爱上他的力量。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 4
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2 Its important to note that Can Can Bunny Extra released three years before FFVII and it was a popular visual novel in Japan when it released not to mention that the Can Can bunny series is considered a classic VN series, later due to popularity it got an anime adaptation in 1996.
值得注意的是,Can Can Bunny Extra 在 FFVII 之前三年发布,并且在发布时它是日本流行的视觉小说,更不用说 Can Can bunny 系列被认为是经典的 VN 系列,后来由于受欢迎程度而于 1996 年被改编成动画。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 5
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3 The first piece of connection comes from an interview in the Rebirth Ultimania in which the interviewer asked about the Tifa kiss to Toriyama and Nojima, most of us know about what they said in regards to Tifa's date but at the end Nojima mentioned something that serves as the base for this whole analysis and that was that it reminded him when he used to play dating sim 30 years ago, Can Can Bunny Extra released in 1993 and this interview was most likely done around 2023 or early 2024 which would mean that by this time CCB would be 30-31 years old.
第一个联系来自 Rebirth Ultimania 中的一次采访,采访者向鸟山和野岛问及蒂法之吻,我们大多数人都知道他们关于蒂法约会说了什么,但最后野岛提到了一些可以作为整个分析的基础是,它让他想起了 30 年前玩过的约会模拟游戏,即 1993 年发布的 Can Can Bunny Extra,而这次采访很可能是在 2023 年或 2024 年初进行的,这意味着到那时 CCB 已经 30-31年了。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 6
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4 This is no mere coincidence and Nojima’s comment only came after being asked in regards to Tifa’s date, to be more specific, the kiss. For now just remember that Can Can bunny released 30 years ago, almost 4 years before FFVII and that Nojima played dating sims around this time.
这绝非巧合,野岛是在被问及蒂法的约会,更具体地说,是那个吻之后才发表评论的。 现在只需记住,Can Can bunny 是在 30 年前发布的,比 FFVII 早了将近 4 年,而野岛在那个时候玩过约会模拟游戏。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 7
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5 The first parallel I want to mention here is the most obvious one and it's the design similarities between Tifa and Misao, during her iconic disco scene Misao uses a white crop top, black mini skirt and red shoes. If we compare it to Tifa then her original design is extremely similar to the one Misao has and her costume has the exact same color palette as her.
我在这里要提到的第一个相似之处是最明显的,那就是蒂法和 Misao 之间的设计相似之处,在她标志性的迪斯科场景中,Misao 穿着白色短款上衣、黑色迷你裙和红色鞋子。如果我们将它与蒂法进行比较,那么她的原创设计就与 Misao非常相似,而且她的服装颜色也与她的完全相同。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 8
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6 Another parallel would be the fact that Misao has a fight scene with a “older woman" type of character, she even calls her 年増オンナ(女) (older woman) which is the same line Tifa uses during the slap fight against Scarlet.
In this fight we even see Misao throwing kicks at her.
另一个相似之处是,美佐绪有一场与“老女人”类型的角色的打斗场景,她甚至称自己为 年増オンナ(女)(老女人),这与蒂法在与斯卡雷特的打斗中所使用的台词相同。
在这场战斗中,我们甚至看到美佐绪向她踢腿。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 9
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Its also worth mentioning that when Tifa was first revealed she had almost the exact same measurements as Misao. Tifa's: Bust 83, Waist 57, Hips 84. Misao's: Bust 82, Waist 56, Hips 83. The only difference between the two is the fact that all of Tifa's have one more point compared to Misao's otherwise they would be identical, yet is too much of a coincidence that they are this similar. This was like I said when Tifa got confirmed as the "6th Nakama" aka the first showing of the character to the public, this latter got changed.
还值得一提的是,当蒂法首次亮相时,她的三围几乎与 Misao 完全相同。蒂法:胸围 83、腰围 57、臀围 84。Misao:胸围 82、腰围 56、臀围 83。两者之间的唯一区别是,蒂法都比 Misao 多一分,否则她们会一模一样,但她们如此相似也太巧合了。就像我说的,当蒂法被确认为“第六位仲间”,也就是该角色首次向公众展示时,后者发生了变化。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 10
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8 Tifa's current measurements are: Bust 92, Waist 60, Hips 88. Its also worth mentioning that Tifa is the only character in VII to have her official measurements revealed and its the only "heroine" in the series to have this info officially available to everyone.
蒂法现在的三围是:胸围 92,腰围 60,臀围 88。 还值得一提的是,蒂法是《最终幻想 7》中唯一一个官方公布三围的角色,也是该系列中唯一一个将此信息正式向公众公开的“女主角”。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 11
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10 This last part makes it pretty obvious that the developers knew about Tifa's design origin, Nomura in particularly mentioned during an old interview that every character had a defining feature in Tifa's case it was her breast and she was even named "boing chan" on the debug files, which is pretty significant all things considered since it gives the impression that Tifa’s character original intent besides being a caring figure for the team was to provide fan service, she even got a cutscene added in the game with the purpose to show her assets.
最后一部分很明显地表明开发人员知道蒂法的设计起源,野村在一次旧采访中特别提到,每个角色都有一个定义特征,在蒂法的例子中,那就是她的胸部,她甚至在调试文件中被命名为“boing chan”,这在所有因素考虑后都非常重要,因为它给人的印象是,蒂法的角色初衷除了成为团队的贴心人物之外,还为粉丝提供服务,她甚至在游戏中添加了一个过场动画,目的是展示她的优点。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 13
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11 But what does this mean for FFVII as a whole? I think the most obvious thing would be that Tifa's route was intended to give dating options to the players and provide fan service, we know this because Aerith was initially the sole heroine of the game and they latter added Tifa as a playable character and a love interest for Cloud, despite the name and constant design/story change the character of Aerith went through, she was always meant to be the love interest and the main heroine of the game which was consistent up until the end.
但这对 FFVII 整体来说意味着什么?我认为最明显的事情是蒂法的路线旨在为玩家提供约会选择并提供粉丝服务,我们知道这一点是因为爱丽丝最初是游戏中唯一的女主角,后来他们添加了蒂法作为可玩角色和克劳德的爱慕对象,尽管爱丽丝的角色经历了名字和不断的设计/故事变化,但她始终是游戏中的爱慕对象和女主角,直到最后都是如此。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 14
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12 Just like in the anime adaptation of Can Can Bunny the protagonist can have "romances" with his love interests, but there is always a intended route a “canon” if you will, in CCB the protagonist realized after romancing all the girls that the one he loved was always there for him as she was the magical goddess who gave him the chance to have this "adventure" and have these experiences, it doesn't matter who he "romanced" along; the intended route was clear since the beginning and the other girls were there just to provide options to the players.
就像在动漫《Can Can Bunny》中一样,主角可以与他心仪的对象发展“恋情”,但总是有一条预定的路线,如果你愿意的话可以称之为“正典”,在《CCB》中,主角在与所有女孩谈恋爱之后意识到,他爱的人一直都在他身边,因为她是给予他机会进行这场“冒险”并获得这些经历的神奇女神,他与谁“谈恋爱”并不重要;预定的路线从一开始就很明确,其他女孩只是为了给玩家提供选择。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 15
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13 FFVII despite having another romantic option makes it clear by the end who the intended choice was and its even confirmed in additional material that the optional (Tifa) route is not canon because of the lack of relationship upgrade and romantic confirmation in the sequels.
尽管《最终幻想7》还有另一种恋爱选择,但到最后还是明确了谁是真正的选择,甚至在附加材料中也证实,由于续集中缺乏关系升级和恋爱确认,可选路线(蒂法)并不是经典路线。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 17
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14 Also the “player Cloud” is only an “issue” that happens if the player chooses to pursue Tifa’s route, on the other hand Aerith’s route is consistent with her as the sole romance option and keeps the love triangle shenanigans to the minimum as opposed to Tifa’s route.
此外,“玩家云”只是当玩家选择追求蒂法路线时发生的“问题”,另一方面,爱丽丝的路线与她作为唯一的浪漫选择一致,并且与蒂法的路线相比,将三角恋的诡计保持在最低限度。
2025年02月19日 11点02分 18
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15 This pretty much shows that Tifa’s route is based on dating simulator and harem games, games were the main hero is torn between more than one girl and it’s even possible to date multiple women at the same time. Which is why scenes like these are a thing in Tifa’s route only:
这几乎表明蒂法的路线是基于约会模拟器和后宫游戏的,游戏中的主角在多个女孩之间徘徊,甚至可以同时与多个女人约会。这就是为什么这样的场景只出现在蒂法的路线中:
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