决定苏德战争胜利的关键是在1941-42年,相信大家都认同，即使在43年春曼施坦因的北顿涅茨战役胜利后，库尔斯克争取的也只不过是一个和苏联勉强谈和的机会。无论是退回到原国境线，甚至保住 第聂伯河防线，再乐观的德国人都已经清楚无法再赢得这场战争了。所以无论美援在43年后多大，作用只不过是加速苏军的推进速度而已。我们主要看41--42年，或者到43年初美国援助的影响。 有些朋友喜欢列举苏德战争时期美军援助的总量来显示美国队苏德战争的巨大影响。但是为什么他不敢分开年份的来列？逃避问题！41年和42年，美援少的可怜，几乎和43年之后是天壤之别！在众多的物资中，而我不否认，火车、钢轨、汽车特别是无线电的援助都是重要的。但是，就算把苏联坦克减少一半（去解决火车问题），部队复员1百万（去种地），汽车只留下自己的（大约是一半），守住伏尔加河总是没有问题的。 有一个我们都没有涉及到的问题，偷换概念在这些文章中运用的非常常见。可以说几乎每一个数据都有问题。首先很多文章的数据总量算到了45年的9月20号。而事实上应该是5月8日。在相差的4个多月中，水分很多。 

"Another controversial Allied contribution to the war effort was theLend-Lease Program to send the supplies to the Soviet Union. Although Soviet accounts have routinely belittled the significance of the Lend-Lease in the Sustainment of the Soviet war effort, the overall importance of the assitance can not be underestimated. Leand-Lease aid did not arrive in sufficient quantities to make the difference between defeat and victory in 1941-1942; that achiement must be attributed solely to the Soviet people and to the iron nerve of Stalin, Zhukov, Shaposhnikov, Vasilevsky and their subordinate. As the war continued, however , the United States and Great British provide many of the implements of war and strstegic raw materials necessary for the Soviet victory. Without Lend-Lease food,clothing, and raw materials (especially metal), the soviet economy would have been even more heavily burdened by the war effort. Perhaps most directly, without lend-lease trucks, railengines, and railroad cars, every soviet offensive would have stalled at an earlier stage, outrunning its logistical tail in a matter of dyas. In turn this would have allows the german commanders to escape at least some encirclements, while forcing the Red Army to prepare and conduct many more deliberate penetration attacks in order to advance the same distance. Left to their own devices, Stalin and his commanders might have taken 12 to 18 months longerto finish off the Wehrmacht; the ultimate result would probably have been the same, except the soviet soldiers could have waded at France's At;antic beaches. Thus while the Red army shed the bulk of allied blood, it would have shed more blood for longer without Allied assistance."-----David Glantz
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拜托说话要拿出真凭实据，不要脸好像这样的字眼都可以作为依据，好像的东西还有很多，建议你好好看看小侠的帖子和数据，要用数据说话，不要好像好的在这里胡说八道。