今天我带COMMENTARY又看了一遍ROTS，收获主要是搞清楚了以下几点：（希望其中也有之前你们没搞清或在这个论坛上普遍没弄清的问题：D）1 ANAKIN最后在PADME飞船前和OBIWAN他们三个人的对话，ANAKIN恨PADME并不带有“吃醋”的色彩，他恨她只是因为她和OBIWAN站在同一边，而且误认为是PADME带OBI来杀他。最原始的剧本中他们的对话更多得反映ANAKIN怀疑OBIWAN跟PADME有LOVE RELATIONSHIP，但最终的剧本对话改了，把重点放在了他恨PADME只是因为她跟OBI是同一战线的。2 关于大家在这个论坛上讨论过的SIDIOUS是真败还是诈败的问题。其实就像我在那个帖子的几个回帖中说的，LUCAS说有诈的成分，SIDIOUS当时并不像他看上去，或他自己说的那么虚弱。3 关于我之前在这里发过一个题为“疑问：ANAKIN对OBIWAN到底是爱是恨”（http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=67410235）的帖子，这个疑问在我这次带COMMENTARY看了一遍后被解答了。其实在你们的回帖中这个问题已经被解决了一大部分。向芝玉的回答和LUCAS的解说中一样，从II到IIIANAKIN变成熟了。但可惜的是，我仍然不能解释我（在那个帖子中5楼中）提到的前两次转变。I hope this helps! :D

楼上朋友，You're a nice guy/gal, you know that?!谢谢你帮我解答困惑！：）[QUOTE]Anakin的确把Obi当兄弟朋友,但潜意识里的骄傲或者说对自己能力的肯定让他觉得这件事自己就能搞定,用不着别人的帮忙 [/QUOTE]我想这一点转变我完全明白了！第二点转变，看了后面你引的小说选段，我想我真得很喜欢这一段描写--有时候真的还是文字的东西/书比小说更能体现人物内心呢！看了这一段，再跟电影比较，我更确定了这一点！我敢说，即使让最最伟大的导演来把《王孙梦》这种以人物内心（而非情节）带动的著作改编成电影，也比不上文字能直接呈现人物的内心。再次感谢！我想我在LUCAS和你的帮助下，迷惑都被解开了。：）

哦，打字打错了！原文：还是文字的东西/书比*小说*改为：还是文字的东西/书比*电影*

关于第二个问题，卢卡斯说有诈败的成份。这个成份二字很重要。如果按以前讨论中所说，西帝倒在云度剑下还有十足把握脱身，他一手导演诈败好戏，那就谈不上“有诈败的成份”了，而是“纯粹诈败”了。因此老卢的话也就否定了早有诈败预谋的说法。大丈夫能屈能伸，西帝如能击败云度自然击败他，而没有取胜的情况下，只好装腔作势，博取安纳金的同情。因此真败为主，诈败是他退而求其次的办法，百分之一的希望，百分之百的努力而矣。

对，我就是说这个意思，诈败真败都有。这就是“成分”的意思。

至于Obi师徒的感情问题，其实在反目之前，他们的感情总的来说是好的。之所以楼主有此疑问，最主要的原因是他们后来势成水火，生死相搏。我认为这件事从感情上不能得到完全解释。他们的争斗是道不同不相为谋。在他们反目前不久，叛军飞船一战，西帝让安纳金弃欧比旺于不顾，安纳金却执意与师傅同生共死。此时的安纳金虽有Fear、Hate、Anger等黑暗倾向，却仍不失为重义轻生的大丈夫。二人在反目后，安纳金还曾说过：“If you are not with me ,you are my enemy".也就是说，他跟欧比旺为敌是有条件的，是因为欧比旺站在他的对立面。这时的安纳金是逐鹿天下的野心家，欧比旺是维护和平的卫士，二人针锋相对，水火不融，一旦动手，绝不留情。归根结底是权位的诱惑使师徒反目。如果把二人放到一个荒芜的星球上过一百年，两人也不会翻脸动手。后来维达在死星上遇上欧比旺，欧比旺与他作战，就算不胜也有脱身的希望。卢克一行杀到飞船边等欧比旺上船，这时如果他继续跟维达纠缠，卢克他们又能坚持多久？卢克如果死了，就算杀了维达，最后的希望也断绝了．欧比旺主动受维达一剑，却让卢克抓住了上船逃跑的最后时机．维达后来有一个名动天下的儿子，全是欧比旺用命换回来的。渡尽劫波兄弟在，相逢一笑泯恩仇。维达融入原力后，一定会深爱他的师傅。

我对他们在III末尾的反目并不觉得奇怪，也完全同意你对的III末尾他们反目的原因的解释。你可能没有仔细看清楚我的疑问到底在哪儿，其实我只对III前面的ANI对OBI的两次态度转变觉得奇怪，而并不奇怪他们在III末尾ANI对OBI的态度转变。（参见http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=67410235我在5楼的帖子）。当然这留下来的一点疑问也被2楼的朋友解决了，很好得解释了我不明白的那两次态度转变。：）[QUOTE]渡尽劫波兄弟在，相逢一笑泯恩仇。维达融入原力后，一定会深爱他的师傅。 [/QUOTE]说的好！我也希望如此。：）

nice gal, acturally :)here is for you ,from EP3 novelChapter 13 THE WILL OF THE FORCEWhen her handmaiden Motee awakened her with the word that C-3PO had announced a Jedi was waiting to see her, Padme flew out of bed, threw on a robe, and hurried out to her living room, a smile breaking through her sleepiness like the dawn outside—But it was Obi-Wan.The Jedi Master had his back to her, hands clasped behind him as he drifted restlessly about the room, gazing with abstracted lack of interest at her collection of rare sculpture."Obi-Wan," she said breathlessly, "has—" She bit off the following something happened to Anakin ? How would she explain why this was the first thing out of her mouth?"—has See-Threepio offered you anything to drink?" He turned to her, a frown clearing from his brow. "Senator," he said warmly. "So good to see you again. I apologize for the early hour, and yes, your protocol droid has been quite insistent on offering me refreshment." His frown began to regather. "But as you may guess, this is not a social call. I've come to speak with you about Anakin."Her years in politics had trained her well; even as her heart lurched and a shrill How much does he know? echoed inside her head, her face remained only attentively blank.A primary rule of Republic politics: tell as much truth as you -an. Especially to a Jedi. "I was very happy to learn of his appointment to the Council.""Yes. It is perhaps less than he deserves—though I'm afraid it may be more than he can handle. Has he been to see you?""Several times," she said evenly. "Something is wrong, isn't it?"Obi-Wan tilted his head, and a hint of rueful smile showed through his beard. "You should have been a Jedi."She managed a light laugh. "And you should never go into politics. You're not very good at hiding your feelings. What is it?" "It's Anakin." With his pretense of cheer fading away, he seemed to age before her eyes. He looked very tired, and profoundly troubled. "May I sit?""Please." She waved him to the couch and lowered herself onto its edge beside him. "Is he in trouble again?""I certainly hope not. This is more... a personal matter." He shifted his weight uncomfortably. "He's been put in a difficult position as the Chancellor's representative, but I think there's more to it than that. We—had words, yesterday, and we parted badly."Her heart shrank; he must know, and he'd come to confront her—to bring their whole lives crashing down around their ears. She ached for Anakin, but her face showed only polite curiosity."What were these words about?" she asked delicately."I'm afraid I can't tell you," he said with a vaguely apologetic frown. "Jedi business. You understand."She inclined her head. "Of course.""It's only that—well, I've been a bit worried about him. I was hoping he may have talked to you.""Why would he talk to me about—" She favored him with her best friendly-but-skeptical smile. "—Jedi business?""Senator—Padme. Please." He gazed into her eyes with nothing on his face but compassion and fatigued anxiety. "I am not blind, Padme. Though I have tried to be, for Anakin's sake. And for yours."

"What do you mean?""Neither of you is very good at hiding feelings, either.""Obi-Wan—""Anakin has loved you since the day you met, in that horrible junk shop on Tatooine. He's never even tried to hide it, though we do not speak of it. We... pretend that I don't know. And I was happy to, because it made him happy. You made him happy when nothing else ever truly could." He sighed, his brows drawing together. "And you, Padme, skilled as you are on the Senate floor, cannot hide the light that comes to your eyes when anyone so much as mentions his name.""I—" She lurched to her feet. "I can't—Obi-Wan, don't make me talk about this...""I don't mean to hurt you, Padme. Nor even to make you uncomfortable. I'm not here to interrogate you; I have no interest in the details of your relationship."She turned away, walking just to be moving, barely conscious of passing through the door out onto the dawn-painted veranda. "Then why are you here?"He followed her respectfully. "Anakin is under a great deal of pressure. He carries tremendous responsibilities for a man so young; when I was his age I still had some years to go as a Padawan. He is—changing. Quickly. And I have some anxiety about what he is changing into. It would be a... very great mistake... were he to leave the Jedi Order."She blinked as though he'd slapped her. "Why—that seems... unlikely, doesn't it? What about this prophecy the Jedi put so much faith in? Isn't he the chosen one?""Very probably. But I have scanned this prophecy; it says only that a chosen one will be born and bring balance to the Force; nowhere does it say he has to be a Jedi."She blinked harder, fighting down a surge of desperate hope that left her breathless. "He doesn't have to—?""My Master, Qui-Gon Jinn, believed that it was the will of the Force that Anakin should be trained as a Jedi—and we all have a certain, oh, I suppose you could call it a Jedi-centric bias. It is a Jedi prophecy, after all.""But the will of the Force—isn't that what Jedi follow?" "Well, yes. But you must understand that not even the Jedi know all there is to be known about the Force; no mortal mind can. We speak of the will of the Force as someone ignorant of gravity might say it is the will of a river to flow to the ocean: it is a metaphor that describes our ignorance. The simple truth—if any truth is ever simple—is that we do not truly know what the will of the Force may be. We can never know. It is so far beyond our limited understanding that we can only surrender to its mystery.""What does this have to do with Anakin?" She swallowed,but her voice stayed tight and thin. "And with me?""I fear that some of his current... difficulty... has to do with your relationship."If you only knew how much, she thought. "What do you want me to do?"He looked down. "I cannot tell you what to do, Padme. I can only ask you to consider Anakin's best interests. You know the two of you can never be together while he remains in the Order."A bleak chill settled into her chest. "Obi-Wan, I can't talk about this."

"Very well. But remember that the Jedi are his family. The Order gives his life structure. It gives him a direction. You know how... undisciplined he can be."And that's why he is the only Jedi I could ever love... "Yes Yes of course.""If his true path leads him away from the Jedi, so be it But please, for both of your sakes, tread carefully. Be sure. Some decisions can never be reversed.""Yes," she said slowly. Feelingly. "I know that too well."He nodded as though he understood, though of course he did not understand at all. "We all do, these days."A soft chiming came from within his robe. "Excuse me " he said, and turned aside, producing a comlink from an inner pocket. "Yes... ?"A man's voice came thinly through the comlink, deep and clipped: "We are calling the Council into special session. We've located General Grievous!""Thank you, Master Windu," Obi-Wan said. "I'm on my way."General Grievous? Her eyes went hot, and stung with sudden tears. And so they would take her Anakin away from her again.She felt a stirring below her ribs. Away from us, she amended, and there was so much love and fear and joy and loss all swirling and clashing within her that she dared not speak. She only stared blindly out across the smog-shrouded cityscape as Obi-Wan came close to her shoulder."Padme," he said softly. Gently. Almost regretfully. "I will not tell the Council of this. Any of it. I'm very sorry to burden you with this, and I—I hope I haven't upset you too much. We have all been friends for so long... and I hope we always will be.""Thank you, Obi-Wan," she said faintly. She couldn't look at him. From the corner of her eye she saw him incline his head respectfully and turn to go.For a moment she said nothing, but as his footsteps receded she said, "Obi-Wan?"She heard him stop."You love him, too, don't you?"When he didn't answer, she turned to look. He stood motionless, frowning, in the middle of the expanse of buff carpeting."You do. You love him."He lowered his head. He looked very alone."Please do what you can to help him," he said, and left.-----------------------第一次看到这里时异常难过本来是很好的朋友,他们的确互相关心,只能说命运太无情,一人失去一切,另一人只能无助的看着

Wow! 太好的！收下！提到PADME，我觉得她跟ANI的感情是OBI跟ANI的友情所不能比的，就像在II的DVD里娜塔丽自己承认的那样，她扮演的PADME之所以喜欢上ANI多半是因为他的外表；这种more physical than spiritual原因形成的感情跟ANI和OBI在多年一起并肩做战形成的spiritual bond是不能比的。在III末尾我看到PADME的去世，还有DARTH VADER醒来第一句话就问Is Padme all right?固然为她们的悲剧感到很难过。但我更为ANI和OBI在木法星的决战（ANI和OBI的决裂，而非ANI和PADME的悲剧才是III的重心所在）感到痛心。这点我和你我感觉一样，非常难过。