HUGO2为啥随便接个耳放声音就更圆润的原因找到了(见图1)
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微岛岛主 楼主
HUGO2为啥随便接个耳放声音就更圆润的原因找到了(见图1)。看来HUGO2当解码模拟输出到WA8是
正确的
决定。
DAC直接输出只要输出功率够了,让耳机发出正常声音的推力是够的,但如果输出电流增益过小,是喂不饱耳机声音饱满度所需的胃口的。可见HUGO2后面上任何耳放都会对音质有改变(因人的口味不同,无法说是好是坏),有人就喜欢听干涩的声音(不放称之为性感),有人喜欢听饱满圆润的声音(不妨称之为成熟)。
既然HUGO2是DAC直接大功率输出,用WA8做纯放,用WA8的三只电子管(按照一般习惯胆机开机预热20分钟以上才出好声)来暖耳机的音质,会让耳机的声音圆润许多,这也就是为啥很多烧友把HUGO2和WA8组合在一起(而不是和040)的原因。
毕竟器材是用耳朵收货而不是靠线路逻辑,究竟是不是这样,周六回京后,把SPK、HUGO2和已经到家的WA8连在一起,试听一下方见分晓。
到时候给大家送上这套便携天花板推EXK、K3K3、钛夜壶和UM1的听感心得供大家参考。
2018年03月22日 17点03分 1
level 11
我也為了這套訂製了條DHC RAC to 3.5mm線[不高兴]但還要等很久才到手
2018年03月22日 17点03分 2
回复 微岛岛主😜 :老哥,高端低端对录线差距很大吗?[乖][乖]
2018年03月22日 23点03分
对于随身设备,我的感觉转盘到解码用光纤声音最干净(光纤不同材质差别几乎可以忽略,颜值意义大于材质),对路线对音质的影响也在万分之个位数之内(金耳朵测试48级别),因为太短了。有时候听人声我愿意在解码耳放之间直接连个大电阻让背景更黑(损失细节)。
2018年03月22日 17点03分
哈哈哈哈你订了啊![滑稽]是不是我传火成功了[滑稽]
2018年03月22日 20点03分
回复 Haiku_ :恭喜你傳毒成功了[笑尿]還是狠下心擼了條,但我是找香港代理的...他吹是兩個月後應該會寄到,但在網上說經常會拖延的...現在心裡很慌
2018年03月23日 00点03分
level 8
微岛岛主 楼主
如果谁想了解这套便携推大耳效果如何,我也有几只老大耳(好点的是PSK、HD800和ED10),插上听听动静告诉大家。声音就怕比较,我判断这套随身推大耳肯定能听但绝对好不到哪去(和自己精选的台放解码相比)。我相信随身玩到这程度的玩家再用它推大耳的可能性约等于零。
2018年03月22日 17点03分 3
level 15
这是随身还是台式
2018年03月22日 17点03分 4
随身肯定不是,台式肯定也不是,应该算便携,出差装包里听
2018年03月22日 17点03分
level 8
FPGA是可编程硬件,不是传统dac芯片,hugo不是没有放大模块,是放大模块集成到FPGA芯片里去了
2018年03月22日 21点03分 6
按住phd-x来开机,RCA的输出会提升到5Vrms
2019年04月09日 11点04分
我说的不太对,应该说所有的dac都有放大模块,hugo强在滤波做的好,所以不需要更复杂的耳机放大器,需要的放大模块数量也比普通dac少。起码在rob看来hugo再加放是本末倒置。
2018年03月22日 21点03分
但是不加放声音就是有点散和干,对于随身和低阻耳机特别是塞子耳放其实唯一的作用就是调音而不是助推。到目前为止我还没发现有苹果手机推不动的塞子,区别只是声音的味道。我用手机直推过HD800听汪峰反而别有韵味。
2018年03月23日 06点03分
@微岛岛主 那歌德中低端耳机都是低阻,是不是hugo2直推就可以了,不需要加放
2019年04月07日 11点04分
level 8
Rob的原话:
I have been seeing some comments describing Hugo as excellent DAC with a good headphone amp. Both comments, in my view, are wrong and way off the mark - and seeing these comments are starting to bug me, so I would like to get it off my chest. So forgive me if I am overstepping the mark - commenting on honest posts about a product I have designed, but I thought it might be useful for Head-fi'rs to read my views.
First, I would like to talk about what as a designer I am trying to accomplish, as it has a bearing on one's opinion of Hugo's sound. Imagine going around CES and carefully listening to all the high end hi-fi on show, so you can carefully listen to all the major high end brands available today. Next, listen center stage row 10 to an orchestra. Now, in my opinion, high end Hi-fi sounds from very bad to absolutely awful compared to live acoustic music. The key difference in the sound is variability - live acoustic music has unbelievable variations in the perception of space, timbre, dynamics and rhythm. Additionally, each instrument sounds separate and as distinct entities. By comparison, high-end audio is severely compressed - depth of sound stage is limited to a few feet (listen to off stage effects in say Mahler first - in a concert the off stage effects sound a couple of hundred feet away but on a hi-fi it is an ambient sound a few feet away). Timbre is compressed - you don't get a really rich and smooth instrument playing at the same time as something bright. The biggest problem is the dominance effect - the loudest instrument is the one that drags your attention away - this constant see-saw of attention is the biggest reason for listening fatigue, a major problem with Hi-fi.
So I am approaching designing of Hi-fi from the POV of accepting that there are enormous differences between conventional Hi-Fi and real music, and that I want my equipment to be as transparent as possible. Now some peoples idea of transparency is to use distortion to artificially enhance the sound, and this is a real problem with listening tests - a superficially brighter sound, giving the impression of better detail resolution, is often distortion. So a real challenge is defining what true transparency is. My definition, is to latch onto the idea of variations - if a modification makes the sound more variable, then its more expressive, and hence more transparent, even if it sounds, in tonal balance, darker or smoother and superficially less impressive. Now, if you think that your Hi-Fi sounds better than live acoustic music - then fine, we will agree to disagree. You are looking for a sculpted sound, not a truly transparent one, and I would strongly advise never to buy equipment designed by myself, as I am striving for equipment with no added sound.
So how does this relate to Hugo? Hugo was on the tail end of a long series of incremental improvements in digital design. I have spent the last 7 years on R and D to fundamentally improve aspects of DAC performance - improvements in the jitter rejection, RF noise filtering, noise shaper topologies, WTA filter length, analogue design plus a lot of other things. Moreover, Hugo took advantage of a big step forward in the capabilities of FPGA's - I could do important things that I knew influenced the sound but that previously were not possible due to FPGA limitations. So Hugo was at the confluence of two events - a big step forward from 7 years work in understanding digital design plus a major step forward in FPGA capability. It is just an accident that it happened with a portable headphone product.
So Hugo was the first instance when all these improvements came together. When I finally heard the pre-production unit with all the improvements in place I could not believe the sound quality improvements that I first heard. It completely changed my expectations of what was possible from digital audio - I was hearing things that I have never heard from Hi-fi ever - in other words, the gap from Hi-fi to live acoustic music was suddenly very much closer. Most notable was rapid rhythms being reproduced with breathtaking clarity - before piano music sounded like a jumble of notes, now I could hear each key being played distinctly. The next major change was timbre variations - suddenly each instrument had their own distinct timbre qualities, and the loudest instrument dominance effect was gone. Also gone was listening fatigue - I can listen for 12 hours quite happily.
But by far the biggest change was not sound quality, but on the musicality. I found myself listening and enjoying much more music, in a way I have never experienced before with a new design (and anybody who knows something of my designing career knows that is a lot of designs).
So my conclusion is this: Hugo does things that no other DAC at any price point does. Now I can say readers saying, well OK he would say that anyway, it's his baby. True - I can't argue with that POV. But let's examine the facts:
1. The interpolation filter is key to recreating the amplitude and timing of the original recording. We know the ear/brain can resolve 4uS of timing - that is 250 kHz sampling rate. To recreate the original timing and amplitude perfectly, you need infinite tap lengths FIR filters. That is a mathematical certainty. Hugo has the largest tap length by far of any other production DAC available at any price.
2. RF noise has a major influence in sound quality, and digital DAC's create a lot of noise. Hugo has the most efficient digital filtering of any other production DAC - it filters with a 3 stage filter at 2048 FS. The noise shapers run at 104 MHz, some 20 times faster than all other DAC's (excepting my previous designs). What does this mean? RF noise at 1 MHz is 1000 times lower than all other DAC's, so noise floor modulation effects are dramatically reduced, giving a much smoother and more natural sound quality.
3. The lack of DAC RF OP noise means that the analogue section can be made radically simpler as the analogue filter requirements are smaller. Now in analogue terms, making it simpler, with everything else being constant, gives more transparency. You really can hear every solder joint, every passive component, and every active stage. Now Hugo has a single active stage - a very high performance op-amp with a discrete op-stage as a hybrid with a single global feedback path. This arrangement means that you have a single active stage, two resistors and two capacitors in the direct signal path - and that is it. Note: there is no headphone drive. Normal high performance DAC's have 3 op-amp stages, followed by a separate headphone amp. So to conclude - Hugo's analogue path is not a simple couple of op-amps chucked together, it is fundamentally simpler than all other headphone amp solutions.
This brings me on to my biggest annoyance - the claim that Hugo's amp is merely good. Firstly, no body can possibly know how good the headphone amp in Hugo is, because there is not a separate headphone stage as such - its integrated into the DAC function directly. You can't remove the sound of the headphone amp from the sound of the DAC, it's one and the same.
Struck by these reports, I decided to investigate, as I see reported problems as a way of improving things in the future. I want to find weakness, my desire is to improve. So I tried loading the OP whilst listening on line level (set to 3v RMS). With 300 ohm, you can hear absolutely no change in sound. Running with 33 ohm, you can hear a small degradation - its slightly brighter. This is consistent with THD going from 0.0004% to 0.0007%. Note these distortion figures are way smaller than desktop headphone amps. Also note that with real headphones at this level you would be at typically ear deafening 115dB SPL. Plugging in real headphones (at much lower levels) gives no change in sound quality too. This has been reported by other posters - adding multiple headphones to Hugo does not degrade sound at all.
So how do we reconcile reports that desktop headphone amps sound better? I don't believe they do, its a case of altering the sound to suit somebody's taste. Now as I said at the beginning of this post, that is not what I want to do - I want things to sound transparent, so that we can get closer to the sound of live acoustic music. Adding an extra headphone amp will only make things worse as extra components degrades transparency. Another possibility is that people are responding against Hugo's unusually (for a headphone amp) low output impedance of 0.075 ohms. Now, compared to headphone amps of 2 to 33 ohms impedance, this will make the sound much leaner with less bass. Additionally, the improvements in damping can be heard as a much tighter bass with a faster tempo. So if you find your headphone too lean, the problem is not Hugo's drive - your headphone is just been driven correctly.
Just to close to all Hugo owners - enjoy! I hope you get as much fun from your music as I have done with Hugo.
2018年03月22日 21点03分 7
level 14
学习了
2018年03月22日 21点03分 9
level 15
好了知道你有天花板了
2018年03月22日 22点03分 10
发烧玩具所谓天花板只是个笑话,因为天花板每隔半年就变一次。
2018年03月23日 06点03分
level 9
真随便啊
2018年03月23日 00点03分 11
level 16
这样组合确实不错的
2018年03月23日 00点03分 12
level 13
这个组合我也听过,确实不错
2018年03月23日 01点03分 13
level 11
楼主wa8出替换管了[滑稽]了解一下?[滑稽]我打算入了
2018年03月23日 23点03分 16
那裡看到的?求連接[你懂的]
2018年03月28日 16点03分
level 13
我用胡狗2接的EMP,感觉推低阻大耳也不错
2018年03月28日 09点03分 17
level 5
已入hugo2 wa8 不知道该配个什么耳机
2018年09月24日 17点09分 19
最后配什么耳机了?
2018年12月05日 13点12分
level 12

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