level 14
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刚和吧友在帖子讨论AI丹邦的问题，其实我自己对于AI丹邦对于天下无双光环的判定也是一知半解于是用搜索引擎搜关键词“Dunban peerless AI", 看看国外有何高见，结果还真被我找到了
level 14
level 14
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先说下老外的结论：
level 14
黎阳大将蒋义渠
楼主
Temsen:
So, I just arrived at eryth sea and recently switched out reyn for dunban.
He can hold aggro fairly well, yet sometimes I (shulk) manage to pull aggro off of him.
My problem is, he seems to be using peerless very rarely, if at all.
Actually the only times I've seen him using it was when I went back to Colony 9 for a quest while fighting a pair of Plain Armus. When fighting those he'd use it every time without fail right at the beginning of the battle. If it was just a single one: never. Same deal with other monsters in makna forest/eryth sea; not while fighting single ones or multiple ones nor after losing aggro.
I do have serene heart on him, too, but I'm sure it wasn't up on several occasions, as he used it while he didn't have aggro.
What's up with that?
Temsen （以下简称LZ）：
小弟现在进度在艾尔特海。刚把莱恩下了换丹邦，我发现丹邦仇恨拉的不错，但有时还是会OT（修洛克说的就是你）。那么问题来了，他好像很少用天下无双啊，几乎不用
实际上我唯一一次见他用，是在回殖民地9打一对平原母甲兽的时候![[冷]](/static/emoticons/u51b7.png)
，只要是群战他每次开打就会放，但单个敌人的时候从不用。打玛克纳森林和艾尔特海的怪时也是这样，甚至队友OT了也不放
我还给他带了明镜止水，但很多时候没啥用啊，仇恨都不在他身上他也会开，到底是咋回事？
2020年07月16日 07点07分
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So, I just arrived at eryth sea and recently switched out reyn for dunban.
He can hold aggro fairly well, yet sometimes I (shulk) manage to pull aggro off of him.
My problem is, he seems to be using peerless very rarely, if at all.
Actually the only times I've seen him using it was when I went back to Colony 9 for a quest while fighting a pair of Plain Armus. When fighting those he'd use it every time without fail right at the beginning of the battle. If it was just a single one: never. Same deal with other monsters in makna forest/eryth sea; not while fighting single ones or multiple ones nor after losing aggro.
I do have serene heart on him, too, but I'm sure it wasn't up on several occasions, as he used it while he didn't have aggro.
What's up with that?
Temsen （以下简称LZ）：
小弟现在进度在艾尔特海。刚把莱恩下了换丹邦，我发现丹邦仇恨拉的不错，但有时还是会OT（
修洛克说的就是你）。那么问题来了，他好像很少用天下无双啊，几乎不用实际上我唯一一次见他用，是在回殖民地9打一对平原母甲兽的时候
，只要是群战他每次开打就会放，但单个敌人的时候从不用。打玛克纳森林和艾尔特海的怪时也是这样，甚至队友OT了也不放我还给他带了明镜止水，但很多时候没啥用啊，仇恨都不在他身上他也会开
，到底是咋回事？
level 14
黎阳大将蒋义渠
楼主
2L
what_is_my_name ：Is Peerless the one that does Lock on? If it is he does seem to use it less often than Serene Heart/Spirit Breath.
路人A（what_is_my_name）：天下无双是啥？ 锁定仇恨那个的吗？ 如果是的话好像的确没 明镜止水/神威吹息用的那么频繁
3L
TrixStah ：No that's battle eye. Peerless is the one that raises strength.
路人B（TrixStah）： 回2L，不，那是战眼，天下无双是加力量的
4L
Temsen：Tried it again with peerless as his only aura, still won't cast it against a single enemy.
If there's a group (multiple yellow arrows when you select them) it's first thing he uses.. pretty stupid considering the strength buff is huge.
LZ：我又试了下啊，让他光环只带天下无双，敌人只有1个时他还是没放。 但群战的时候（好几个目标敌人可选）他第一时间会用的。。感觉AI好蠢啊，那么强的BUFF居然不用。。。
5L
TrixStah ：Yeah i'm not sure why he isn't casting it for you because on my game he spams it like crazy.
路人B（TrixStah）：额不知道你啥情况。我的丹邦每次都像抽风一样用
6L
Temsen： On single targets too?
Maybe it's got to do with his other arts? Which ones are you using?
LZ：回5L，单个敌人也会用？ 是不是和其他技能有关，你给他带啥技能啊？
7L
Hero_Dunban ：Come to think of it, my AI Dunban uses it rarely, too...
Curses, and I thought Dunban's AI was dependable.
路人C（Hero_Dunban ）：现在想起来，我的丹邦也好像不用这招。淦啊，我一直觉得AI的丹邦很好使的啊
8L
TrixStah：Yes single targets and my skill bar is
Gale Slash, demon slayer, worldly slash, steel strike, soaring tempest, peerless, heat haze, and spirit breath.
路人B（TrixStah）：回6L，单个敌人也会用的，我给丹邦带的技能：
疾风刃、鬼刃斩、天地剑、铁功弹、千刃天翔、天下无双、阳炎、神威吹息
（译者吐槽：老弟你雷刃脚也不带一个，CD够用么）
9L
Hero_Dunban：
Why so many auras? The AI lacks the ability to judge the most effective one by context, so any more than two is often just a waste of a slot.
路人C（Hero_Dunban ）：楼上的你给他带那么多光环干啥![[疑问]](/static/emoticons/u7591u95ee.png)
，AI又不不懂啥情况该用啥光环，我觉得2个以上的光环纯属浪费格子
10L
TrixStah：That's from when i was controlling him i never got around to changing it.
路人B（TrixStah）：9L的，我手控也是这么玩的，懒得换了
2020年07月16日 07点07分
5
what_is_my_name ：Is Peerless the one that does Lock on? If it is he does seem to use it less often than Serene Heart/Spirit Breath.
路人A（what_is_my_name）：天下无双是啥？ 锁定仇恨那个的吗？ 如果是的话好像的确没 明镜止水/神威吹息用的那么频繁
3L
TrixStah ：No that's battle eye. Peerless is the one that raises strength.
路人B（TrixStah）： 回2L，不，那是战眼，天下无双是加力量的
4L
Temsen：Tried it again with peerless as his only aura, still won't cast it against a single enemy.
If there's a group (multiple yellow arrows when you select them) it's first thing he uses.. pretty stupid considering the strength buff is huge.
LZ：我又试了下啊，让他光环只带天下无双，敌人只有1个时他还是没放。 但群战的时候（好几个目标敌人可选）他第一时间会用的。。感觉AI好蠢啊，那么强的BUFF居然不用。。。
5L
TrixStah ：Yeah i'm not sure why he isn't casting it for you because on my game he spams it like crazy.
路人B（TrixStah）：额不知道你啥情况。我的丹邦每次都像抽风一样用
6L
Temsen： On single targets too?
Maybe it's got to do with his other arts? Which ones are you using?
LZ：回5L，单个敌人也会用？ 是不是和其他技能有关，你给他带啥技能啊？
7L
Hero_Dunban ：Come to think of it, my AI Dunban uses it rarely, too...
Curses, and I thought Dunban's AI was dependable.
路人C（Hero_Dunban ）：现在想起来，我的丹邦也好像不用这招。淦啊，我一直觉得AI的丹邦很好使的啊
8L
TrixStah：Yes single targets and my skill bar is
Gale Slash, demon slayer, worldly slash, steel strike, soaring tempest, peerless, heat haze, and spirit breath.
路人B（TrixStah）：回6L，单个敌人也会用的，我给丹邦带的技能：
疾风刃、鬼刃斩、天地剑、铁功弹、千刃天翔、天下无双、阳炎、神威吹息
（
译者吐槽：老弟你雷刃脚也不带一个，CD够用么）9L
Hero_Dunban：
Why so many auras? The AI lacks the ability to judge the most effective one by context, so any more than two is often just a waste of a slot.
路人C（Hero_Dunban ）：楼上的你给他带那么多光环干啥
，AI又不不懂啥情况该用啥光环，我觉得2个以上的光环纯属浪费格子10L
TrixStah：That's from when i was controlling him i never got around to changing it.
路人B（TrixStah）：9L的，我手控也是这么玩的，懒得换了
level 14
黎阳大将蒋义渠
楼主
11L
gaiachaos ：
Peerless and Spirit Breath: Z+A to force AI to use.
Heat Haze and Serene Heart: Automatic.
Battle Eye: Ai only uses when battle member (w/ aggro ring) is in trouble.
路人D（gaiachaos）：
天下无双/神威吹息 ： ZR+方向键上（集火） 可指示AI释放
阳炎/明镜止水 ： 自动释放
战眼：AI只会在队伍中的其他成员吃到仇恨，陷入麻烦中才会释放
12L
TrixStah：
Can you have Dunban with more than one aura on at any time or just stick with two gaias?
路人B（TrixStah）：楼上聚聚，那能让丹邦带多个光环吗，还是说最多只能带两个
13L
gaiachaos ：
It depends....
For example, you can use heat haze to remove aggro immediately, then change to another aura. However, when you change to another aura, Dunban loses the ability to do 100% critical hits.
AI always wait until aura dissipates before using the next available aura.
路人D（gaiachaos）： 这得看情况。。
比方说，你用阳炎消掉仇恨，然后马上切到其他光环，但会失去阳炎100%暴击的效果
AI 老是等到上个光环时间到了才用下一个。。。。
15L
Temsen：
Doesn't do anything for me, he will use neither peerless nor spirit breath.
I noticed he barely uses arts at all.
I currently have blinding blossom,serene heart, peerless, gale slash, worldly slash,steel strike, tempest kick and soaring tempest on him.
The only arts he frequently uses are gale slash, worldly slash and serene heart, in that order, that others pretty much never.
LZ： 11L聚聚，我按你的方法做了好像还是不行，他既不用天下无双也不用神威吹息，我发现他很多招数根本不用啊
我现在给他带：樱花绚烂，明镜止水，天下无双，疾风刃，天地剑，铁功弹，旋风刃脚，千刃天翔
他一直用的是疾风刃+天地剑，还有开明镜止水，这一套，其他招数都不咋用
16L
TrixStah：
Have you leveled them at all that might be a reason why he isn't using them. I don't really use blinding blossom so i don't know if that's affecting him using it or not. Also when you press the Z+A to force the AI try pressing it a bunch of times because I've noticed that if you don't hear them say "let's focus our attacks" it might not be registering you pressing it.
路人B（TrixStah）：LZ你给丹邦技能升级了么？ 可能是技能等级的关系
别带樱花绚烂了，AI用不用都不知道。。 还有按ZR+A集火得多按几次，如果你没听到集火的语音可能指令没生效。。。
17L
gaiachaos：Post affinity between Dunban and the characters you are using.
路人D（gaiachaos）： LZ你把丹邦和其他2个人的好感度发一下
18L
Hozu ：
He tends to only use Blinding Blossom if someone else has aggro rather than using it all the time to prevent others from taking aggro in the first place.
Hozu（路人E）：AI只有在其他人的仇恨超过他时才会用樱花绚烂。。。平时是不会放这招来防止OT的
19L
Temsen：
All arts were at level 4, tried peerless level 5 didn't change anything.
You're right, A+Z works somewhat, it's just that I need to press it before he uses anything else, only then it'll work.
Affinity is: shulk - blue smile - dunban - green smile - sharla but is that really important? I mean "hey, I don't like you so I'm not gonna use half of my skills"?
I think I've seen him use blinding blossom sometimes, but definitely not always when pulling aggro from him.
LZ：所有技能都是4级。。我把天下无双升到5级，还是不行
16L你说的对。。A+Z集火指令的确得多按几次。。而且得在他放其他光环之前按，这样才行
羁绊： 修洛克（蓝脸），卡尔纳（绿脸），但这真有关系么。。？
我意思是。。难道丹邦会说：”啊你们不是我的菜，今天我只出一半力“。。？
还有我见过几次AI用樱花绚烂，但并不是每次OT都会用。。。。
20L
TrixStah：
Take blinding blossom off and only use his yellow auras. Then check to see what happens. You also might want to those auras up a bit since you're already at level 5 go ahead and boost em up to level 7 if you have the AP points.
I'm not sure why Gaias wants to know the affinity between your party members is maybe it plays a role for him using his auras. I'm sure he will chime in soon.
路人B（TrixStah）：LZ你把樱花绚烂卸了，只带黄色的光环再试试，还有把光环再升几级，要是有AP，不如从5级升到7级
不知11L聚聚为啥要问你的队伍羁绊。。可能光环跟羁绊也有关系？ 看他咋说
2020年07月16日 08点07分
6
gaiachaos ：
Peerless and Spirit Breath: Z+A to force AI to use.
Heat Haze and Serene Heart: Automatic.
Battle Eye: Ai only uses when battle member (w/ aggro ring) is in trouble.
路人D（gaiachaos）：
天下无双/神威吹息 ： ZR+方向键上（集火） 可指示AI释放
阳炎/明镜止水 ： 自动释放
战眼：AI只会在队伍中的其他成员吃到仇恨，陷入麻烦中才会释放
12L
TrixStah：
Can you have Dunban with more than one aura on at any time or just stick with two gaias?
路人B（TrixStah）：楼上聚聚，那能让丹邦带多个光环吗，还是说最多只能带两个
13L
gaiachaos ：
It depends....
For example, you can use heat haze to remove aggro immediately, then change to another aura. However, when you change to another aura, Dunban loses the ability to do 100% critical hits.
AI always wait until aura dissipates before using the next available aura.
路人D（gaiachaos）： 这得看情况。。
比方说，你用阳炎消掉仇恨，然后马上切到其他光环，但会失去阳炎100%暴击的效果
AI 老是等到上个光环时间到了才用下一个。。。。
15L
Temsen：
Doesn't do anything for me, he will use neither peerless nor spirit breath.
I noticed he barely uses arts at all.
I currently have blinding blossom,serene heart, peerless, gale slash, worldly slash,steel strike, tempest kick and soaring tempest on him.
The only arts he frequently uses are gale slash, worldly slash and serene heart, in that order, that others pretty much never.
LZ： 11L聚聚，我按你的方法做了好像还是不行，他既不用天下无双也不用神威吹息，我发现他很多招数根本不用啊
我现在给他带：樱花绚烂，明镜止水，天下无双，疾风刃，天地剑，铁功弹，旋风刃脚，千刃天翔
他一直用的是疾风刃+天地剑，还有开明镜止水，这一套，其他招数都不咋用
16L
TrixStah：
Have you leveled them at all that might be a reason why he isn't using them. I don't really use blinding blossom so i don't know if that's affecting him using it or not. Also when you press the Z+A to force the AI try pressing it a bunch of times because I've noticed that if you don't hear them say "let's focus our attacks" it might not be registering you pressing it.
路人B（TrixStah）：LZ你给丹邦技能升级了么？ 可能是技能等级的关系
别带樱花绚烂了，AI用不用都不知道。。 还有按ZR+A集火得多按几次，如果你没听到集火的语音可能指令没生效。。。
17L
gaiachaos：Post affinity between Dunban and the characters you are using.
路人D（gaiachaos）： LZ你把丹邦和其他2个人的好感度发一下
18L
Hozu ：
He tends to only use Blinding Blossom if someone else has aggro rather than using it all the time to prevent others from taking aggro in the first place.
Hozu（路人E）：AI只有在其他人的仇恨超过他时才会用樱花绚烂。。。平时是不会放这招来防止OT的
19L
Temsen：
All arts were at level 4, tried peerless level 5 didn't change anything.
You're right, A+Z works somewhat, it's just that I need to press it before he uses anything else, only then it'll work.
Affinity is: shulk - blue smile - dunban - green smile - sharla but is that really important? I mean "hey, I don't like you so I'm not gonna use half of my skills"?
I think I've seen him use blinding blossom sometimes, but definitely not always when pulling aggro from him.
LZ：所有技能都是4级。。我把天下无双升到5级，还是不行
16L你说的对。。A+Z集火指令的确得多按几次。。而且得在他放其他光环之前按，这样才行
羁绊： 修洛克（蓝脸），卡尔纳（绿脸），但这真有关系么。。？
我意思是。。难道丹邦会说：”啊你们不是我的菜，今天我只出一半力“。。？
还有我见过几次AI用樱花绚烂，但并不是每次OT都会用。。。。
20L
TrixStah：
Take blinding blossom off and only use his yellow auras. Then check to see what happens. You also might want to those auras up a bit since you're already at level 5 go ahead and boost em up to level 7 if you have the AP points.
I'm not sure why Gaias wants to know the affinity between your party members is maybe it plays a role for him using his auras. I'm sure he will chime in soon.
路人B（TrixStah）：LZ你把樱花绚烂卸了，只带黄色的光环再试试，还有把光环再升几级，要是有AP，不如从5级升到7级
不知11L聚聚为啥要问你的队伍羁绊。。可能光环跟羁绊也有关系？ 看他咋说
level 1
level 14
黎阳大将蒋义渠
楼主
原帖在这里，后面的我就不发了大致意思是11L聚聚说这一招是攻略本上说的，后来LZ发现自己搞错了指令，按11L聚聚的说法做，基本没问题
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960564-xenoblade-chronicles/64513195?page=1
现在上不了游戏，有没有党 员来试试到底行不行