设计师的话
Garen and Shaco changes so far Shaco:
Directionally changes seem promising, with the E and R changes especially working as hoped in terms of the gameplay they create.
Looks like he's too strong, though probably at nerfs next patch levels not hotfix levels of too strong. First thing we'll test is weaker level one boxes, aimed particularly at hitting how quickly he's clearing his initial camps and hitting level 3.
Power wise our minimum goal is to ensure he's not weaker than before the changes, even if we have to pull back on some of the just added power.
Garen:
Is also looking too strong and a candidate for nerfs next patch. As expected with Garen he’s less out of line in high MMR, though still on the strong side even there.
Not sure yet how good attack speed as a build path is for him post E changes. Our goal was that it should be an option, rather than mandatory or always a mistake.
Another goal was to shift power to his early game, the belief being that that's both part of Garen's historic identity we wanted to bring back and generally an appropriate pattern for juggernauts. Does look like that's working so far.
In terms of overall power as with Shaco we'd like to ensure that he doesn't end up weaker than before the changes at a minimum.

看起来也太强大了，是下一个补丁削弱的候选人。
正如对盖伦的预期一样，他在高分段中的表现并没有那么好，尽管他仍然有很强的实力。
还不确定E添加上攻击速度特性后的情况。 我们的目标是应该将其作为一种选择，而不是强制性的选择，也不要总是犯错误。
另一个目标是将力量转移到他早期的游戏中，我们希望带回来的信念是，这既是盖伦历史身份的一部分，也是一种适合的模式。
到目前为止，看起来是可行的。
就总体实力而言，和萨科一样，我们希望确保他最终不会比变化前弱到最低限度。

说明什么，希望不会一刀砍废
n00md，加强了又削了

这机制肯定不行，还不如重装战士那个版本。前期不怎么强势但线上又不至于被对面打爆，这版本黑铁到黄金你有优势对面就起不来了

Meddler commented more on Garen:
"We'll take preseason changes into account, he's looking sufficiently out of line though that we can't just leave him until 9.23. Would rather put a bit of power back in if he ends up too weak post preseason than just let him sit that long."
我们会考虑季前赛的变化，他看起来很不正常，我们不能在9.23之前离开他。如果季前赛后他太弱的话，我宁愿让他恢复一点力量，而不是让他坐那么久。

我觉得还是改回上个版本把q改回2.5秒就行了

重点加强一下Q吧，E挺爽但还是有点别扭

说明一件事，盖伦平衡不好做

确实不好做啊，技能组合机制含糊不清，出输出吧刺客的伤害又没位移，出肉又没控制

现在不要太尴尬啊，还砍***锤子

估计要削伤害，然后按照国际惯例直接忘记坦度的问题，最后搞的四不像。

盖伦这英雄就是这样
强也不强，弱也不弱
要机动性也没机动性，现在9.20版本要爆发也没爆发，
后期没有丝毫成长性，连超级兵都不如
唉，虽然我早都说过不要期待设计师了，但是，就是忍不住

哦不又要削，盖伦没控没位移，现在又不肉，要是连输出也没了真不知道玩什么

妈的e直接有攻击特效就好了

9.20版本相对于9.19的盖伦对比
9.19版本被动：1/11（9/4秒）2/8%，低生命回复效果加倍
9.20版本被动：全等级7秒，回复量根据等级提升，11级后真的比旧版弱了
Q：加了攻速提升动画效果，但是QA卡顿感很严重
W：抗性从50降低30，0.75秒前60%减伤变成最大生命值10%护盾
前0.75秒的限制解除文本提升也没了，虽然韧性效果还在，但是和文本提升没了，真是哈皮行为
E：给了攻速加成和能叠征服者，提升伤害
R：移除大反派，全局真伤，不给斩杀提示，我玩个游戏还去计算伤害是吗？
以前大反派被动，攻击大反派，好歹有斩杀提示，必杀
现在没了