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天刹孤星2 楼主
晚上继续[乖]刚翻到几个差评,晚上翻译点差评吧[阴险]
2018年07月28日 09点07分 126
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真羡慕老外就一日常回还能扯这么多的,国内自打89集之后就没多少热度了[泪]
2018年07月28日 14点07分 128
毕竟冷番石头门[滑稽]另外不在B站播也损失不少讨论度。
2018年07月28日 14点07分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
Honestly I was kinda hoping it would be a little bit more like the original series was where the first half was relatively lighter and then the second half was very plot heavy. Maybe it's just because we're watching it weekly but apart from a couple scenes throughout it's been pretty low impact so far...It seems like they're just slowly adding the pieces throughout the story which is making for some odd tonal shifts week by week.
Nothing wrong with having lighthearted episodes of course like the Okabe and Ruka date episode in the original but I feel like more had happened up to that point than has happened in 0. Hopefully we can see some developments soon because I loved how the show was during the early episodes with Amadeus.
老实说,我以前希望0能像之前的石头门那样,前半段是轻松的剧情,后半段则是沉重的剧情。也许只是因为我们是每周追番的,而这集除了贯穿始末的狗粮场景以外没有给我们带来什么触动....制作组似乎在一点点的加入这个故事的碎片,而这使得每周的剧情氛围的转变很不自然。
当然,像这种轻松暖心的剧情本身没什么问题,第一部的石头门里也有冈部和硫华子的约会,但是我感觉第一部里他们约会的时候已经发生了很多很多事情,而0里面则没有这种感觉。真心希望我们能在不久之后看到主线的进展,因为我也喜爱过这部番,在 Amadeus出场的前几集的时候(说了半天,你丫就是想看助手[滑稽]
Well. Even in the original, the second half had a few dates.
恩,就算是第一部,后半段也有几次约会情节
Was just thinking this.
The Ruka episode was dropped right into the middle of the 2nd half...the only difference was that the tension and stakes had been raised from Eps 12-15 so there was still more underlying tension.
Just a different show structure--nothing wrong w/ it.
I don't have a problem with it so long as when it ramps up and finishes it'll be a roller coaster ride to the finish...and long as it doesn't rush it.
仔细想一下
硫华子线正好在后半段的中间.....唯一的不同是12集到15集剧情的紧张度和丰富度一直在加码,所以到他们约会的时候,剧情仍然是比较压抑的氛围
只是剧情结构上的不同——这并没有对错
我对此不怎么抱怨,当它开始上升和结束的时候,它会像过山车一样,一直行驶到完结.....而这个过程和剧情平淡的集数差不多长(这段不太懂[狂汗]
The source material structure lead to such a big difference. S;G VN is linear compared to 0 that has multiple paths with ending that are linear. In the S;G VN we didnt see a lot of the alternative endings for that reason and some of those are great.
原作结构的不同导致的差别。石头门的原作和0相比的话,石头门更像是一条主线横贯到底,而0则有很多条线,每条都指向各自的结局。在石头门的原作中,我们看不到很多各自独立成线的结局,而0中的某些线是很精彩的
2018年07月28日 14点07分 129
我并不在意剧情结构,只要接下来的动画有出大起大落的展开(译者注:类似于本篇22-24话的连环转折),同时动画制作组不急于疯狂赶进度。
2018年07月28日 15点07分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
Feel the same way. At the end of every episode I get the feeling like, "oh shit things are about to heat up!"...and then it never does. While this episode had some good moments with Suzuha finding some closure and Daru feeling the weight of responsibility at the end, it just throws the pacing of the show for a loop.
Such is the problem of trying to adapt a non-linear VN into an anime series.
和你感觉差不多。每一集的结尾,我都有一种“山雨欲来风满楼“的感觉,然后我的感觉从来没中过。这集也有一些很棒的剧情,玲羽满足了心愿,桶子最后也感受到了满满的责任,这集就是把这番的节奏又重置了
这也是尝试把非线型叙事的电子小说动画化会出现的普遍问题
As someone who hasn't played the VN yet, what does nonlinear mean?
我没怎么玩过电子小说类型的游戏,非线型是什么意思呢?
Multiple potential storyline paths.
多种可能的故事线
I usually love episodes like this, but I agree. The series has been pretty light on the plot these past few episodes, and I'm really starting to miss Okabe. The break in between 13 and 14 didn't help, especially since the plot seems to have taken a backseat.
我一般很喜欢15集这样的剧情,但是我还是会同意。这部番在最近几集的剧情太平淡了,我真的开始想念冈部了。13集和14集之间一周的修整对此毫无帮助,特别是主线似乎开始慢慢被边缘化了
Same. These audience fulfillment episodes are starting to lose me. It is nice to finally see Hashida and Yuki get together but that wasn't high on the list of priorities was it.
同意。这些观众福利回开始让我失望了。看到桶子和由季能够在一起是很棒,但是这件事的优先级不应该这么高的。
终于把这条弄完了[阴险]真的长
2018年07月28日 14点07分 130
知道剧情:感觉都和主线相关。不知道剧情:感觉一直不进主线,配角戏份是福利不必要,主角剧情划水不干正事。(看评论给我这样的感觉。)
2018年07月28日 19点07分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
摸鱼去了,明天就没有加倍了[滑稽][茶杯]
2018年07月28日 14点07分 131
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他们这说的,好像本篇里取消DM时的故事不重要似的[吃瓜]玲羽那集他们没看过?感觉他们只记得20集以后的内容,一直在等着“结局高燃”,而不是享受石头门的故事,这真的和很多年前看本篇的是同一波人?
2018年07月29日 03点07分 132
想一想人们宣传石头门最常用的宣传方式是什么。
2018年07月29日 03点07分
正常,因为0的叙事节奏和第一部差别还是比较大的,第一部前期和中期的剧情有很大的反差,前面是平淡的日常,中期开始展开(到第12集完成了秋叶原消失和嘟嘟噜死亡两个大爆点),而0一开始就已经不是在描写日常了,到15集剧情氛围也没有和前期剧情形成很明显的反差,估计要到后期才会开始展开了。
2018年07月30日 13点07分
回复 天刹孤星2 :嗯,我觉得0一上来几乎每集都比较刺激。为啥要期盼它像本篇那样前期日常后期转折对比呢,不一样的故事,不是相同的模式,不能因为这样就忽略0的剧情一直不断有高能嘛。
2018年07月30日 13点07分
@怜怜的临时MJ1 也可以这么说吧,如果和第一部比,0其实有很多爆点,主要是追石头门0的观众刺激的阈值一开始就很高了,0想要像第一部那样刺激到观众不太容易,我目前被刺激到的是助手回和篝黑化那集,还有那个悖论回[滑稽]
2018年07月30日 13点07分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
it was a nice episode of character building.
But I strongly hope that the show goes somewhere plot wise. There are so many plot points just looked at, just to forget it afterwards again :(
从角色的塑造来说,这是很棒的一集
但是我真心希望能在剧情方面向前推进。很多剧情只是看过一遍,然后就被忘了
Have you not seen the original?
This is how they butter you up and make you feel comfy and safe and care about characters before they destroy everything you knew and trusted in this show... The warm fuzzy scenes are just going to make things hurt more later.
They 100% will not leave the plot points behind.
你还没有玩过原作游戏把?
制作组先想办法安抚你,让你觉得角色的处境很轻松,很惬意,然后他们再把你对这番的看法全部推翻...温馨的场景仅仅只是延缓了后面伤痛的到来。
制作组绝对不会忘记回收伏笔的
yes i have. Which is the only reason I haven't drop this currently mediocre show that imho currently only lives from it's nostalgia. Currently the plot is all over the place. At episode 15.
我玩过游戏的。这也是我还没有弃掉这部普普通通的番剧的唯一的原因,恕我直言,现在我还在追基本上是因为对前作的感情了。目前的剧情可以说分散的到处都是(东一榔头西一棒子的)。在第15集的时候(还是如此)
后面有一长串反驳,分割放送[乖]
2018年07月30日 13点07分 133
hurt more later才是正确的断句,之后更痛
2018年08月02日 18点08分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
反驳的写的老长[阴险]翻的累
You need to understand something here... this is a sequel. Of course it needs to relate to the orignal, and its building on the orignal story as well. This is a mystery series and we have been given many things in that regard. But its also a drama, and a suffering type show, so we need to be given reasons to care about characters. Thats just proper story telling.
你需要明白一些事情....这是一部续作。它当然需要和前作构建联系,它也必须建立在前作的基础之上。这是一部推理剧(想起了某吧大佬总结的十大推理galgame[滑稽]),我们看很多事情都要考虑到这件事。但是,这部作品也是戏剧文学,是充满苦难的番剧,所以我们需要一些理由去关注其中登场的角色。这是正常的叙事手法。
The plot is pretty understandable. "Get to the point we see in the video message Okabe receives in the last few eps of the orignal."
That is what our end game is, so everything until then is all building up to how does Okabe figure out how to do it, and then send the message to the past to himself.
剧情很容易理解。“简单来说,前作的胸针在最后几集收到的那个视频邮件,这个我们都看到了”
这也是我们游戏即将结束的地方,那么,在全部事情尘埃落定前,胸针到底是如何弄明白该怎么做(才能到达SG线),如何向过去的自己发送邮件的呢?
I dont see how the plot is all over the place, its giving us various elements that will probably matter in the end much like the original did. If you liked the Original, then this shoudlnt be different as they are very similar in flow and story telling. Leave clues and hints through the series while masking the true story until gets to the point that we understand what is happening and look back at everything and start figureing things out, and then probably giving us one last twist before the end to really send the finale home and probaly connecting back up with the original in the end. ez pz
我并没有看到剧情有什么散乱之处,前面的剧情信息量很大,这些剧情可能会在收尾的时候发挥重大作用(就像第一部那样)。如果你喜欢第一部,那这部也没什么不同,两部作品在流畅程度和叙事手法上面很相似。都是在剧情推进过程中留下伏笔和暗示,同时想办法掩藏真正的故事,直到我们最终明白发生了什么,回过头去再看,才开始弄懂那些伏笔的含义,然后,在结局前,制作组会给我们最后一次转折,这次将会是大团圆结局,可能会和前作的最后几集连接在一起。
2018年07月30日 14点07分 134
嗯嗯,希望最后能把前面那么多伏笔都回收圆满
2018年07月30日 17点07分
回复 怜怜的临时MJ1 :对於0的伏笔回收不要太多期望,虽然能看到制作组想尽力圆一些地方,但无奈原本游戏脚本就很分散,0基本上比较着重以感情为主的描写,要像本篇一样有一切线索都对上的惊喜不太可能
2018年08月02日 14点08分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
only the 3 strongest chapters of the VN remain to be adapted, very soon
原作游戏(到这集结束就)只剩三个大章了,就快了
At episode 15 there are still characters to introduce, that are necessary for the plot to really start?!
15集了,还在介绍人物,这对剧情真正展开是必要的吗?!
All important characters have been introduced already, but I agree the pacing is on and off. It's both a fault in the VN and in the anime it feels even more pronounced due to mixing of routes.
所有重要的角色都已经被介绍完了,但是我同意节奏有时快有时慢。电子小说类型的游戏都有这个缺点,而在动画里,感觉更多是把多条线融合的锅
The plot has been going for some time now, just because it isn't a high octane thriller like the second half of the original anime doesn't mean that the plot hasn't "started" yet.
剧情已经进展了一段时间了,只是因为还没到高燃的地方(就像第一部中的后半段那样),而这并不能说剧情毫无进展。
2018年07月30日 14点07分 135
这层最后这个人正解
2018年07月30日 17点07分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
居然公然虐狗[阴险]最后一条
Hey can someone chime in on this real fast? Watched the original with my wife, both big fans we started SG0 and we both were really confused and really turned off to this. Does it get better? Thanks in advance.
有人可以回答我一下吗?和我老婆一起补完了第一部,都是狂热粉,然后我们去玩了SG0,但是我们都觉得很困惑,把游戏关了来这里问下问题。后面的剧情好起来了吗?先谢谢了
Just stick with the anime. I played the Visual Novel, and boy, did it reward me sweetly for my patience! I cried with happiness at the ending! It's dour, it's sober, it's grave. It's worth it.
和动画一起坚持下去吧。我通关了0的游戏,我只能说,我的坚持得到了丰厚的回报!我在结局留下了幸福的眼泪!
它是严肃的,厚重的。它值得你为它坚持
Cool thanks for the info. I'll probably watch it by myself, my wife's not really into the somber stuff at the moment, but I'd personally like to see how the story evolves.
谢谢你的情报。我可能会自己通关了,我老婆一时还接受不了这种阴郁的氛围。但是我个人喜欢看到这个故事是如何慢慢发展的
后面还有说他感觉阴郁的原因的(凶真变得不中二了之类的[滑稽]),另外他没有看23集的β版(然后被安利去油管看[滑稽]),就不详细翻了
2018年07月30日 14点07分 136
幸福的眼泪,感受到了石膏的爱吗[阴险]
2018年07月30日 16点07分
公然虐狗终被虐[阴险]
2018年07月31日 01点07分
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温柔的催个更……楼主大大加油~爱你哟~
2018年08月02日 08点08分 137
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催更啦啦啦啦啦
2018年08月02日 12点08分 138
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天刹孤星2 楼主
本来是准备中午更新的,结果停电了,刚才来电了[狂汗](这个夏天停了有4次了)
16集
真香
,找回了以前的感觉,全集嘴炮,但是看的舒服
不过个人感觉这集好看都要归功于原作和声优,动画的制作水平中规中矩(个人感觉比不上台词和声优)
明天我再去看看第一部抒发情感的部分是怎么制作的,可能是我把第一部给脑内美化了?
2018年08月02日 13点08分 139
是时候请ani****来分析一波了
2018年08月02日 13点08分
嗯,画面有点跟不上。虽然画面没问题,但是在这种爆发的剧情和表演上镜头达不到同样水平,就有点可惜。我感觉爆发时的画面有点点拖后腿。
2018年08月02日 14点08分
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天刹孤星2 楼主
Best episode of 0 so far. Last week I was kinda thinking that SG0 was moving very slowly compared to the original series, but now I think I'm realizing that this series is just one giant build-up to a huge climax.
Also if you don't know who Orihime-sama is, I was recommend looking at the Tanabata wikipedia page which explains the story. Although not necessary it explains the metaphor that this episode used describing Mayushii & Okabe's relationship
石头门0目前最好的一集。上周,我还想着石头门0和它的前作相比,剧情推进的非常缓慢,但是现在,我觉得我才理解了这一点——这部番就是这样的一部番,一部从大量的铺垫到巨大的剧情高潮的作品
另外,如果你不知道织女是谁,我推荐看一下维基百科的“七夕”词条,你可以去那里看这个故事。如果觉得不需要的话你可以理解成这是一种比喻,用织女的故事来形容真有理和冈部之间的关系。
That's definitely what they're doing. The next few episodes (if done well) are going to be pretty crazy and emotional. It's gonna be one hell of a rollercoaster from here on out.
制作组确实是这么做的。接下来的几集(如果做的好的话)会非常疯狂,让人动容。从现在起,过山车的车门已经锁死了。
It's almost like Dejavu. A slow start following with one hell of an emotional rollercoaster in the second half just like season 1.
这是一种即视感。缓慢的开始,然后后半段是情绪坐着过山车在疾驰,就像第一季那样。
后面是一大段较负面的评论,以后再翻译[乖](大致是说不如第一季)
2018年08月02日 14点08分 140
本就不如第一季。。
2018年08月06日 02点08分
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