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杰克.吉伦哈尔谈其演员进化之路 以及他越来越有“活着的感觉”之原因所在
【文章】奈哲尔.M.斯密斯
【翻译】Lulu
Jake Gyllenhaal On His Evolution As An Actor and Why He Feels More 'Alive' Than Ever
by Nigel M Smith

毫无疑问，杰克杰克.吉伦哈尔是个万人迷, 但亲自和这位演员接触过后，我觉得33岁的他更像是个艺术家。这从他最近所选择的角色和他在谈到自己作品时的热情与睿智即可看出。
从在《死亡幻觉》中饰演问题少年而初露锋芒开始，吉伦哈尔一直都爱接拍充满争议的挑战性角色。《死亡幻觉》之后的几年里，这位演员和数位知名导演有过合作，包括萨姆.门德斯（《锅盖头》）和大卫.芬奇（《十二宫》）。在首次试水大片《波斯王子:时之刃》遭遇了小小挫折之后，吉伦哈尔再度回到了他最擅长的阴暗角色类。他的新片《宿敌》，是由他主演的另一部电影《囚徒》的导演、同时也是其挚友的丹尼斯.维伦纽瓦执导，将于3月13日公映且现在可在直播电视频道点播。

这部在多伦多取景的惊悚片讲的是大学教授亚当.贝尔（吉伦哈尔饰），在看电影时，发现里面有一个演员和他长得惊人地相似。贝尔开始执迷于这个和他长得一模一样的人——演员安东尼.克莱尔（也由吉伦哈尔饰演），他决定去把这个人找出来。两个人的世界相撞，当然，混乱也就此引发。
《独立电影在线》与吉伦哈尔在纽约促膝长谈，说他与维伦纽瓦合作的第二部电影，两人之间独特的工作关系，以及他演艺生涯的新阶段。

我在没有阅读原著的情况下直接看的《宿敌》。我一直把它当做单纯的惊悚片来看，直到最后一幕颠覆了我之前的所有观点。看完这部电影后我没觉得有趣，只觉得自己很蠢。你第一次看这部电影就看懂了吗？
你不是这类电影的爱好者。
我知道丹尼斯想要的是什么。我所需要做的就是像锚一样，从概念上和情感上撑起这部电影；他向我解释了想要怎么拍。他写了份有点像是告示类的东西给我，说，“在你看剧本之前，先了解下我想要把电影拍成什么样子。我想通过这部电影表现性、身份的认知、寻找自我、以及如何把亲昵、浪漫、性等等所有相关事物融合在一起。”

我喜欢这种主角有人格分裂的设定。试图去寻找自我并最终勇于承诺...承诺与有孕在身的妻子好好地过日子。对我来说，电影主要讲的就是这个。
我觉得结尾的愿景很美好，我天真地认为，“好吧，那就是他努力的目标。”讽刺的是，我不知道这是不是剧透啊(w(ﾟДﾟ)w卖萌!)，这是个循环式的结尾，因为不管我们对自己所期望的生活承诺过什么，总会时不时在生理心理上不断地折磨我们。就像圣经里的那条蛇（喻指诱惑）。它不会离开，你懂我的意思吧？它匿藏在森林深处，你得知道它在哪里，这样你才不会再次陷入其中。你可以在它周围转悠。
我觉得这就是我所理解的电影主旨所在。电影还讲了很多乱七八糟的东西。

但丹尼斯说得就很简单，“这部电影讲的是处于某种关系中的一个人。以及他在一定程度的承诺中感受到的担忧和解脱。” 我当时就想，“我爱这个想法。”
你说的这些非常引人入胜。作为演员，我得发挥想象力以一人分饰两角，得让大脑充分运转起来以融入角色中。
呃，丹尼斯一直想让我按两个人的感觉去演。而我总是觉得那该是一个人。因此我们常就此问题进行讨论。但我觉得，要演好这个角色就得需要有这类想法。就像是去到图书馆的儿童读物区，“在电影最后，萨拉.加顿饰演的角色让我留下来时，是一种对真相的坦诚；但在影片的开头却是没有办法坦诚这一点的。”所以我觉得要演出这种感觉，在于演出那种与她亲近、并感到羞耻的感觉，而且还有很多地方可以感受到两人的爱——我想这些都有助于带观众入戏。
每一天都像是对这类情感的一次体验。丹尼斯在我们见面后的第三天才让我知道我得自己和自己演。白天我俩会探讨怎么拍。我们会先探讨一个角色，然后就拍这个角色；我觉得亚当演起来更顺手，因为他比较一板一眼，所以我就这么演。
我们都是玩心很重的人。

我见证过你俩的闹腾，你和丹尼斯在多伦多首映礼上一副欢快祥和的好基友样。你需不需在片场也保持这种轻松，为进入电影要求你表现出的阴暗情绪做调剂？
不需要啊。你只需要和导演保持同步，了解他们的想法以及他们如何处理自己对于某个场景的感受。 和丹尼斯在一起，他是个很贪玩的人，很讨人喜欢并且允许我中断拍摄，与他一起通过显示器观摩自己的表演，然后再继续拍。所以，我不需要在片场刻意保持轻松。不需要。但片场气氛的确很轻松，我只是顺其自然。如果他（导演）是个非常严肃的人，或者说他希望片场气氛严肃点，我也会严肃起来。

你们在这一次合作后又合作了《囚徒》。你俩是不是一拍即合？
是的，是的。他就是那样的人。很可爱，很开朗。对演员特别好。一点都不怕演员。特别尊重演员的决定，经常加以鼓励。但他也是个性情中人。他从不惧怕直面真实，我也是。我们就像好朋友一样，常常直话直说。
我们偶然相遇，而和他见面后我才决定出演这部电影。他比电影本身更吸引我。和制作人的关系有百分之五十取决于你的表现，而这个关系是在电影拍摄中建立起来的。这就是电影的力量。尤其当你是主角的时候，在这种关系下，你就会觉得自己是观众中的一员。这就是为什么我们在拍《囚徒》时会合作愉快，我俩的关系是最重要的。这是一种对艺术的追寻。有点任性，但事实就是这样。就像这样，“你想要再演这部吗？想试试吗？”我说，“好呀。”

在《囚徒》和本片中，你从表相下挖掘出很多深层次的东西——其中的表演扣人心弦。所以我会喜欢你在这两部电影里的表演不是巧合。比你之前的作品挖得更深。是因为丹尼斯的要求，还是你自己领悟到的呢？
对呀。我感觉自己每做一件事都极度需要深挖到底。我觉得自己每一次与别人的交流，比如我俩现在正在进行的交流，或者是与在街上看到的人，生命中遇过的人，小伙伴们，爱的人，家人...的交流，都有这种感觉。
这是一种经验的积累而我乐于如此，甚至就算和我正在参演的电影无关我也愿意去做。这是我的内在，是我成长的方式。所以说，我不想否认曾经的感受去拍电影。我希望不要忘记，让它变成我的经验。这就是我做的决定，我开始认识到，“这真感人。哦，我恨这点。哦...”不管何种体验，都会带到表演中去。我觉得等你到了一定的年纪开始这样做的时候，你就不再有这种感受了...我不知道（笑）。【LZ：是不知道自己在说什么吧？】

所以我每看一次你的表演就觉得了解你更多一些了。
我也这么想的。我也这么想…我是说，我变得越来越执迷于某类角色，就像你说的，我的作品，我的选择，出演舞台剧对我而言是一个巨大的提升。去年我重回舞台剧，明年我将会再次登台，于我，成为…我不知道…我只是觉得我现在做的事情让我更有活着的感觉。
我没有办法解释清楚，我看重的是参与电影制作时与他人的交流以及我们交流的方式。接下来我就要和巴尔塔萨.库马克合作拍摄有关珠穆朗玛的电影，他是导演，我知道我们一定会建立良好的关系，比如说，我们会进行探讨。我会听从他的指导，满足他的要求，然后我会为了他进入不可知的领域。我不知道那里会是怎么一个样子。不知道会发生什么事情。我只知道我会，“哦，就是现在。” 立马就去做。
我要做一个大胆的抉择, 要是有人不喜欢，走好不送。

【原文】
There's no denying Jake Gyllenhaal is a heartthrob, but meeting the actor in person, it's also clear that the 33-year-old is first and foremost an artist. It's evident in his recent choice of roles, and in the passionate and thoughtful way he speaks about his craft.
Gyllenhaal has always been one to take on challenging roles in provocative fare, dating back to his breakout role as a troubled teen in "Donnie Darko." In the years that followed, the actor worked with a series of notable directors including Sam Mendes ("Jarhead") and David Fincher ("Zodiak"). After experiencing a minor setback with "Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time," his first bid at a blockbuster franchise, Gyllenhaal returned to the dark character studies he made his name on. His latest, "Enemy," from his "Prisoners" director and good friend Denis Villeneuve, opens March 14 and is currently available to view on DirecTV.
The Toronto-set thriller centers on Adam Bell (Gyllenhaal), a university professor who, while watching a film, happens to notice that one of the actors onscreen possesses a striking resemblance to his own. Bell becomes consumed with his doppelgänger -- an actor by the name of Anthony Claire (also played by Gyllenhaal) -- and decides to seek him out. Worlds collide, and, of course, chaos ensues.
Indiewire sat down with Gyllenhaal in New York to discuss his second film with Villeneuve, their unique working relationship, and this new stage in his career.

帅吉么一个

╭(╯ε╰)╮好棒

I walked into "Enemy" without having read the book on which it's based. I watched it as a straight up thriller until that final shot that upended everything I had seen up that point. I left this film feeling not played, but dumb. Did you get the film upon the first read?
You're not in the select echelon of people.
I knew what Denis was going for. All I need is like an anchor, conceptually, emotionally, and he explained to me what he wanted the movie to be about. You know, he wrote a bit of a manifesto and he said, "Before you read the script, this is what I want the movie to be about. I want it to be about intimacy, struggle with identity, searching for your own and how that gets mixed up with being intimate, romantically, sexually, all those things."
I love that idea of someone being split. Trying to kind of find their way and commit to in the end... a real relationship with his wife, who is pregnant with their child. You know, that's to me what the movie was about. To me, that was the beautiful hopeful ending, that I thought, "Okay, that's where he's moving towards." Now the irony of it is, and I don't know if this is a spoiler, the end is cyclical because no matter what we commit to in what we decide we want our lives to be, there's always the biological, psychological aspects that will torment us at times. You know, there's always that snake. The snake doesn't go away, you know what I mean? It's always in the corner of the woods, you just need to know where it is, so you don't step on it again. You can walk around it. And I think that's the idea of the movie to me. There's a lot of other shit there too.
But very simply, Denis said, "This is a movie about being a man in a relationship. and the fear and the relief in a certain type of commitment."I was like, "Ahh, i love that idea!"

All of what you're saying is so heady. As an actor, I'd imagine that in order to play these two characters, you had to let all that cerebral stuff go to just live in the moment.
Well, Denis always thought he wanted it to be about two people. I always had this idea that it was about one. So we were constantly having that conversation. But to me, to play it, you need those concepts. Like going to the children's section of the library and going like, "OK, this scene at the end where Sarah Gadon's character tells me to stay, is an admittance of some sort of truth that I was, at the beginning of the movie, incapable of being able to admit." And so I think to play that, it was about being close to her and feeling ashamed, and there were a lot of things about feeling love -- I think those things kinda came into play.
Every day was an experiment in those kinds of emotions. And when I acted with myself, Denis set aside three days for the first time we meet each other to really discover that. We would discover during the day what was going on. We would start on one side and we would shoot that side, and I felt a little more comfortable playing Adam, the professor character, because he was more of a solid guy and so I'd play that.
We would just play man.
I witnessed the hilarious, 'bro-ish' rapport you and Denis have at the film's world premiere in Toronto. Do you need that kind of levity on the set of a film like this in order to go to the dark places the film requires of you?
Not necessarily. You need to be in sync with your director and where they are and how they deal with their feelings around something. With Denis, he's really playful, really loving and that allowed me to step back and be off stage with him behind the monitor and then go on stage. So no, I don't think you need that. I don't need that. But it was there and I just took it. If he was super duper serious, like that's how he wanted it to go, then I would be serious.

You made "Prisoners" following this first collaboration. Did you two hit it off the bat immediately?
We did, we did. He's just one of those types of people. He's very loving, very open. Really loves actors. Really is not afraid of actors. Really loves their choices, always encouraging. But also as a human being. We've always just gotten along, he and I. He's not really afraid of certain truths and I'm not either. And we keep throwing them back in forth at each other like good friends do.
We met up and meeting him was my decision to do the movie. Even more so than the material and the subject matter. The relationship with the filmmaker is 50% of what you do and that relationship is in the movie. It's the energy in that movie. Particularly if you're the lead of their movie, that relationship, you can feel that as an audience member. That's why we went back to the well with "Prisoners," the relationship was the first thing. It was an artistic exploration. That's a little indulgent, but it was. It was like, "You wanna go play again? Wanna go check this out?" And I was like, "Yeah."
In both "Prisoners" and this, you have so much going on beneath the surface -- they're performances that stick with you. It's no coincidence they're my two favorite performances of yours. You seem to be digging deeper than ever before in your work. Is that due to what Denis asks of you, or did you just come to a realization of sorts?
Yeah. I feel a desperate need to bring that to everything that I do. And I feel that every interaction that I have, be it in the interaction that we're having now, or I go out on the street, whoever I see, whoever I meet, in my life, my friends, the people I love, my family... each on of those things in between each project I do is an accumulation of an experience and I want to put all those things, even if it correlates to the movie I'm doing or not. It's all inside me, it's how I grow. So, I don't want deny that stuff and then go and make a movie. I want to take all that stuff with me and put it into the experience I'm having. And that's a decision I made, I started to realize, "That moves me. Oh, I detest that. Oh..." Whatever it is, and bring it in to the performances. I think you get to a certain age where you start doing that and you're no longer feeling that.. I don't know (Laughs).
So I'm seeing more of you in every performance now.
I think so. I think so... I mean, I've become a lot more obsessed with the specificity of characters and like you said, my work, the choices I make, also being on stage was a really big evolution for me. Getting back on stage last year, I will again next year, to me, being a part of... I don't know... I just feel more alive in what I'm doing.
I can't explain it in any way, except the relationships I make with the people I make movies with matters to me the most and how we interact. I'm about to go do this movie about Everest with Baltasar Kormakur, directing the movie, and I know the relationship we have there, like, we will explore. I will listen to him and what he needs and then I'll go into unknown territory for him as a result. I don't now what that's about. I don't know what happened. I just know I went like, "Oh, now's the time." There's no other time but now to go do it. I'm going to make a bold choice and if someone doesn't want it they can cut it out.

啧啧 老吉的话真是越来越高大上了…越来越有活着的感觉，，怎么能这么爱呢～

啊，
前排
。有面熟我的吗

噗 如果我这时候说只要有Jake我也有活着的感觉会不会很漏麻..........~