【翻译】HoME10 风俗准则补 OF RE-BIRTH AND OTHER DOOMS
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TorchAudio 楼主
一楼托老,顺带清明节祭一下众精的fëar。
2014年04月06日 07点04分 1
level 12
TorchAudio 楼主
首先标题没写全——度娘字数限制XD,后面还得跟个OF THOSE THAT GO TO MANDOS
然后再谈谈渣翻这一篇的原因,HoME10 的风俗准则当时看得我非常过瘾,准则一共5个短篇,后来发现貌似只有前三个短篇有汉译(如果我火星了请告诉我[拍砖]),于是准备着手翻个一篇试试。话说这什么fear前往Mandos处真的十分契合当前清明节的光景~
不知道有没有必要写个导读~大神请自动忽略,方便久未翻书和尚未刷到的同学理解,
这是一篇关于精灵们死后之事的设定文,精灵不会死的设定是基于灵魂不灭这一设定来说的,而灵魂,在托老的世界里,借Quenya来表达,就被称作“fëa”,与之相对的肉体则被称作hröa,分别拥有各自的复数形式,fëar和hröar。以下文中的fea即是。
还有一个Úmanyar稍稍说一下,就是那些开始远行最终却没有到达Aman的精灵,典型的比如Sindar还有Nandor这种
其他应该没什么问题,下面上渣翻,欢迎喷,欢迎敲打,欢迎讨论!
2014年04月06日 07点04分 2
level 12
TorchAudio 楼主
A houseless fea that chose or was permitted to return to life
re-entered the incarnate world through child-birth. Only thus
could it return.(*) For it is plain that the provision of a bodily
house for a fea, and the union of fea with hrondo, was
committed by Eru to the Children, to be achieved in the act of
begetting.
当一个没有归属的fea做出选择或是被准许重获新生时,他将通过以孩童方式重生(也只有这样他才能重生)这种形式重新进入人形化的世界中。(*)因为这一点是显而易见的——将肉体作为提供fea供给的居所,保持fea和hrondo的紧密联系,是Eru给儿女们安排好的,而生育自然是符合这种安排的。
(* Save in rare and strange cases: that is, where the body that the fea
had forsaken was whole, and remained still coherent and incorrupt.
But this could seldom happen; for death unwilling could occur only
when great violence was done to the body; and in death by will, such
as at times befell because of utter weariness or great grief, the fea
would not desire to return, until the body, deserted by the spirit, was
dissolved. This happened swiftly in Middle-earth. In Aman only was
there no decay. Thus Miriel was there rehoused in her own body, as is
hereafter told.)
(注:除了某些极为罕见和奇特的个例:那就是,被fea遗弃的肉体是完整的,且仍然保持了与fea的一致性,没有腐败掉。但这种情况很少发生;因为不情愿的死亡只有在肉体在遭受到极大的暴力伤毁后才会发生;在那些自愿离世者中,这种情况倒时有发生,由于他们极度的疲惫或者巨大的悲伤,fea将不会去寻求重生,直到被精神遗弃的肉体逐渐消逝。这种肉体的消逝在中土极为迅速,只有在Aman会永不腐坏。如此一来,Miriel得以借原来的肉体复生,就像那之后她说的一样。)
As for this re-birth, it was not an opinion, but known and
certain. For the fea re-born became a child indeed, enjoying
once more all the wonder and newness of childhood; but
slowly, and only after it had acquired a knowledge of the world
and mastery of itself, its memory would awake; until, when the
re-born elf was full-grown, it recalled all its former life, and then
the old life, and the 'waiting', and the new life became one
ordered history and identity. This memory would thus hold a
double joy of childhood, and also an experience and knowledge
greater than the years of its body. In this way the violence or
grief that the re-born had suffered was redressed and its being
was enriched. For the Re-born are twice nourished, and twice
parented,* and have two memories of the joy of awaking and
discovering the world of living and the splendour of Arda. Their
life is, therefore, as if a year had two springs and though an
untimely frost followed after the first, the second spring and all
the summer after were fairer and more blessed.
至于这种重生,它并非是某种观点,而是一个周知的并且自然的事实。事实上重生的fea成为了一个孩子,再一次享受到孩提时代的新鲜与奇妙;但是慢慢地,并且只有在他取得了关于世界的知识和对自我的主宰后,他的记忆才会觉醒;直到,当重生者完全成长起来之后,他将回忆起先前的记忆以及他的”等待“,新的生活将使这一切成为有序的历史,构建出一个完整的身份。这些记忆会给他带来双倍的孩童时期的快乐,也会一并赐予他比现在的肉体更年长的经验与知识。借这种方式,曾折磨重生者的苦难和悲伤将得到缓解,其阅历也会更加丰富。因为复生者能够有两次机会去成长、汲取养分、受养育,* 也保有两种不同的回忆——关于离开生者的世界以及见识Arda的辉煌。因此,他们的生命就好像是在一年中经历两次春季,尽管前者因为寒冬过早的凋谢,但随之而来的第二个春天,以及那之后的完整的夏天将会更加美妙,也会带来更多的欢乐与幸福。
(* In some cases a fea re-born might have the same parents again. For
instance, if its first body had died in early youth. But this did not often
happen; neither did a fea necessarily re-enter its own former kin, for
often a great length of time passed before it wished or was permitted
to return.)
(* 在有些情况下重生的fea可能会有和先前相同的父母。比如说,他的第一个肉体在少年时期就死亡了,但这不常发生。重生者的fea也不是必须要再次加入到先前的亲族中去,因为在他们渴望或被允许回归之前通常会有一段很漫长的时间。)
2014年04月06日 08点04分 4
level 9
加油~XD
2014年04月06日 08点04分 5
感谢支持!这里面还是很多问题,希望多多指正![拍砖]
2014年04月06日 08点04分
level 12
TorchAudio 楼主
The Eldar say that more than one re-birth is seldom recorded.
But the reasons for this they do not fully know. Maybe, it is so
ordered by the will of Eru; while the Re-born (they say) are
stronger, having greater mastery of their bodies and being more
patient of griefs. But many, doubtless, that have twice died do
not wish to return.(36)
据Eldar精灵们说,一次以上的重生鲜有记录。但他们并不完全了解其中的缘由。也许这是Eru的意志使然;虽然重生者(据他们自己说)会变得更为强壮,能更好的支配自己的肉体甚至能忍受更多的悲痛,但无疑在多数情况下,很多过世两次的精灵都不希望再复生了。
Re-birth is not the only fate of the houseless fear. The Shadow
upon Arda caused not only misfortune and injury to the body. It
could corrupt the mind; and those among the Eldar who were
darkened in spirit did unnatural deeds, and were capable of
hatred and malice. Not all who died suffered innocently.
Moreover, some fear in grief or weariness gave up hope, and
turning away from life relinquished their bodies, even though
these might have been healed or were indeed unhurt.+(37) Few of
these latter desired to be re-born, not at least until they had been
long in 'waiting'; some never returned. Of the others, the
wrong-doers, many were held long in 'waiting', and some were
not permitted to take up their lives again.
重生,对无归属的fea来说,并不是唯一的选择。降临在Arda上的阴影不仅给肉体带来了伤害和不幸,它也能腐化他们的意志。精神上堕落的Eldar精灵会做出诡异反常的举动,还会滋生恶意与仇恨。并非所有逝者都在单纯地忍受痛苦,一些处于悲痛和厌倦情绪的fea放弃了希望,厌恶生活、抛弃了肉体,哪怕这些已经得到了治愈或是实质上未曾造成损害。后来这些精灵中几乎没有谁渴望重生,至少他们在漫长的“等待”中是如此。而有些则永远没有回到精灵们中间。对于其他的精灵,那些作恶者,很多都处于漫长的“等待”中,他们中有些不被允许重获生命。
(+ Though the griefs might be great and wholly unmerited, and death
(or rather the abandonment of life) might be, therefore, understand-
able and innocent, it was held that the refusal to return to life, after
repose in Mandos, was a fault, showing a weakness or lack of courage
in the fea.)
(+ 尽管莫大的悲痛有可能达到难以承受的地步,即在此情况下的死亡(或者是放弃生命)是完全可以被理解且无辜的,但一般还是认为,经过在Mandos的修养后拒绝重生是fea脆弱和缺乏勇气的表现)
For there was, for all the fear of the Dead, a time of Waiting,
in which, howsoever they had died, they were corrected,
instructed, strengthened, or comforted, according to their needs
or deserts. If they would consent to this. But the fea in its
nakedness is obdurate, and remains long in the bondage of
its memory and old purposes (especially if these were evil).
Those who were healed could be re-born, if they desired it:
因为,对所有逝者的fea来说,都会有一段等待的时间。不论如何死去,他们的错误都会被纠正,也会获得指导和更强劲的力量,或是安慰,这取决于他们的需要和他们应得与否。如果他们情愿如此的话。但若剥开一切来看,fea总会有些固执或是执迷不悟,对旧忆和过去的企图(如果是邪恶的念头则尤其容易)念念不忘。那些被治愈者就可以重生——如果他自身渴望如此。
none are re-born or sent back into life unwilling. The others
remained, by desire or command, fear unbodied, and they could
only observe the unfolding of the Tale of Arda from afar, having
no effect therein. For it was a doom of Mandos that only those
who took up life again might operate in Arda, or commune with
the fear of the Living, even with those that had once been dear
to them.(38)
所有当事者都是自愿重生或者回归到生活中去的。其他因渴望或是命令仍然没有肉体的fear,只能留在那里,远远地看着Arda的故事慢慢展开,无力涉足。因为这是Mandos的判决——只有那些重获生命者才有可能在Arda中行事,或是同生者的fear交流——甚至是同生者中那些他们曾经如此珍爱之人。
2014年04月06日 08点04分 6
level 12
TorchAudio 楼主
Concerning the fate of other elves, especially of the Dark-
elves who refused the summons to Aman, the Eldar know little.
The Re-born report that in Mandos there are many elves, and
among them many of the Alamanyar,(39) but that there is in the
Halls of Waiting little mingling or communing of kind with
kind, or indeed of any one fea with another. For the houseless
fea is solitary by nature, and turns only towards those with
whom, maybe, it formed strong bonds of love in life.
关于其他精灵们的命运,尤其是那些拒绝了前往Aman的召唤的黑暗精灵,Eldar们知之甚少。复生者们说,在位于Mandos的殿堂中有众多的精灵,其中很多是Alamanyar,但是在这“等候大厅”之中,却鲜有位于不同族群者之间,事实上是,任何两个fea之间的,亲密而深入的交流。这是因为没有肉体归属的fea有一种天性上的孤独,或许,在这一点上,只有那些产生了对生活的爱意,并使之成为一种紧密纽带的精灵会有所不同。
The fea is single, and in the last impregnable. It cannot be
brought to Mandos. It is summoned; and the summons pro-
ceeds from just authority, and is imperative; yet it may be
refused. Among those who refused the summons (or rather
invitation) of the Valar to Aman in the first years of the Elves,
refusal of the summons to Mandos and the Halls of Waiting is,
the Eldar say, frequent. It was less frequent, however, in ancient
days, while Morgoth was in Arda, or his servant Sauron after
him; for then the fea unbodied would flee in terror of the
Shadow to any refuge - unless it were already committed to the
Darkness and passed then into its dominion. In like manner
even of the Eldar some who had become corrupted refused the
summons, and then had little power to resist the counter-
summons of Morgoth.
fea,是唯一留下来的了,【这句实在是不清楚怎么翻,感觉上下文难以衔接?single,难道说肉体消亡fea形单影只的意思?】并且最后将变得坚不可摧,它不能被带至Mandos那里。继而它们将被召唤,这源于【治世者】正当的权利,不可避免而又相当必要。但这样的召唤仍然有可能被拒绝。据 Eldar们说,在那些于最初的岁月中拒绝响应Valar们前往Aman的召唤(或者是邀请)的精灵中,对前往Mandos和“等候大厅”的拒绝时常发生。然而,这种情况在更古老的岁月中却没有那么频繁,那正是Morgoth和他的仆从Sauron尚在Arda之中作恶的时候,当时没有肉体的fea将会在对暗影的恐惧下逃窜到任何能够提供庇护的地方——除非它已经投身黑暗面并且交出了主宰自我的权利。同样的情况甚至发生在那些已经堕落的Eldar身上,他们拒绝召唤,这之后他们将无力抵抗Morgoth的那一面反向的召唤。
But it would seem that in these after-days more and more of
the Elves, be they of the Eldalie in origin or be they of other
kinds, who linger in Middle-earth now refuse the summons of
Mandos, and wander houseless in the world,* unwilling to
leave it (40) and unable to inhabit it, haunting trees or springs or
hidden places that once they knew. Not all of these are kindly or
(* For only those who willingly go to Mandos may be re-born.
Re-birth is a grace, and comes of the power that Eru committed to the
Valar for the ruling of Arda and the redress of its marring. It does not
lie in the power of any fea in itself. Only those return whom, after
Mandos has spoken the doom of release, Manwe and Varda bless.)
unstained by the Shadow. Indeed the refusal of the summons is
in itself a sign of taint.
但,在这些后来的日子里,似乎有越来越多的精灵,不管他们最初是Eldalie或是其他族类,拒绝Mandos的召唤逗留中土,无家可归,游荡在世界上不愿离开,也无力定居下来,徘徊在树林里、泉水旁或是他们曾经知晓的某个隐秘存在。这些精灵中并不是所有的家伙都是温和友好或未被那黑影玷污过,事实上拒绝召唤本身就是一种腐化的象征。
(*只有那些愿意被召到Mandos处的精灵才可能获得重生,重生是一种恩赐,因为这种力量是Eru为了让Valar能够管理Arda并修补它的伤毁才委托给他们的,在任何一个fea本身中都不存在这种力量。只有那些从Mandos处获得释放的裁决,得到Manwe和Varda赐福的精灵,才能回来)
2014年04月06日 08点04分 7
level 11
黑白大赞!我先占一楼然后再爬去仔细看....以及亲爱的你插楼了...
2014年04月06日 09点04分 9
渣翻不上台面,中间有些注解的段落我给调到比较合适的次序了,所以刚才上的很慢,插楼也没关系~
2014年04月06日 09点04分
回复 黑白本命 :我才看了一点,但是fea不翻译出来真的好?
2014年04月06日 09点04分
回复 青簪传说 :确实翻译成灵魂整篇都通顺很多,但是我个人还是比较偏向于带点Arda的味道,托老有一篇翻译准则,不知道有没有谈到这个?而且文中还有spirit,mind,还是想区别一下。
2014年04月06日 09点04分
回复 黑白本命 :关于翻译准则..我还没有看过...因为在黑白提到之前根本就不知道...-_-|||。我问了加菲,不过她还没回,到时候告诉你吧
2014年04月06日 10点04分
level 12
TorchAudio 楼主
导读里那个Úmanyar就是后文的Alamanyar,含义相去不多,最早的版本是Ekkeli(挺怪的名字,不知道啥意思?),然后改为Alamanyar,最终的版本改成了Úmanyar~
然后谈谈这篇吧,托老的作品,相较于其他一些主流的奇幻作品(看过的不多,有看过其他的请拍我XD)其中思辨性的言论是很高明的,而且这种思辨性不是直接体现在故事里,而是你被坑了之后自己往里挖才能发现其中的蛛丝马迹。这篇文章,一如之前的那些,丝毫没有告诉我们Eru对生死和命运的看法,而是Eldar和Valar们长久以来形成的意见和从事的行为,围绕灵与肉的逻辑体系进行探讨,比如开篇的一个论点,既然fea源自Ea之外,那精灵的命运也不一定要限制在Ea之中啊,逻辑的完备性得到了体现,猜测性质也给故事带来了别样的魅力。面前的不再是“精灵与Arda同寿”这种教科书式的言论,而是一个有独立意识的个体对自己命运的探索历程,透过规则与探索再去复现、推演我们感兴趣的人物之命运,正是托老高明所在,这也是一味的枯燥说明换不来的。
读这篇还有一个感受,就是可以依稀看见托老本人的影子,就用这篇文里的话说,seen only dimly and fitfully,但是我知道那一定是他没错。很明显的一处,就是关于生育孩子的段落,谈到如若孩子生育的时候失去父亲,那就会缺失他父亲的性格特征,双方缺一不可,联想到托老童年,无父何怙,无母何恃,痛何如哉?
还有就是青簪说的fea翻出来的问题,灵魂一词确实比较合适,但是文中还有spirit,mind等等,费费的名字里那个fea就是spirit的意思,而且fea特指以incarnate为nature的一类spirits,像ëalar这种不需要的物质形态的也可以译成“灵魂”,那这样一来灵魂就各有不同了,为了凸显区别实在不敢妄译Orz
还有一处我看了N久,后来实在受不了给带过去了,就是那段谈重生的孩童的回忆起前生的一段,it recalled all its former life, and then the old life, and the 'waiting', and the new life
fomer和old到底哪个是前生的,而且前生和过去的好像不怎么好区别Orz?
2014年04月06日 10点04分 10
level 10
黑白简直棒呆!今天先mark一下明天来看~
2014年04月06日 14点04分 11
渣翻深涩得很,感谢lante支持!
2014年04月06日 14点04分
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