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2013年05月18日 19点05分 1
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Question 35. What is the meaning of these words, “He was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary?”
Answer.
That God s eternal Son, who is, and continueth true and eternal God, took upon him the very nature of man, of the flesh and blood of the Virgin Mary, by the operation of the Holy Ghost, that he might also be the true seed of David, like unto his brethren in all things, sin excepted.
2013年05月18日 19点05分 2
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EXPOSITION.
The exposition of this question is necessary on account of ancient and modern heretics, who have denied, and who now deny, that the flesh of Christ was taken from the substance of the Virgin. The Eutychians argue: Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost ; therefore the flesh of Christ was produced from the substance of the Divinity, or from the essence of the Holy Ghost, and by this means the divine nature was changed into the human. The fallacy of this argument arises from an incorrect use of a figurative mode of speaking ; for the terms for, from, or of the Holy Ghost do not signify a material, but an efficient cause, the power, efficacy, virtue, or operation of the Holy Ghost; for it was by the virtue, or operation of the Holy Ghost that the Son of God was conceived in the womb of the Virgin, according to the words of the angel: “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.” (Luke 1:35
.) Christ is also called the seed of Abraham, the Son of David.
Therefore he took his flesh from these fathers, and not from the Holy Ghost. As we are born of God because he made us, so Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost ; because it was by his virtue and operation that he was conceived ; and not because he was formed from the substance of the Holy Ghost.
Obj. But if the particle of or by does not signify a material cause when used of the Holy Ghost, then, in like manner, it cannot signify this when it is said of Christ that he was born of the Virgin Mary.
Ans. The cases are not exactly parallel, for in relation to the latter article, it behooved Christ to be born of the seed of David ; but when it is said he was conceived of, or by the Holy Ghost, the particle by cannot refer to or signify a material case, for these reasons : 1. Because, if this were true, then that which immediately follows, viz., that he was born of the Virgin Mary. would not be true. 2. Because God is not susceptible of any change, and therefore, cannot be changed into flesh. 3. Because the Word assumed flesh, but was not changed into it. What, therefore, does the conception of Christ by the Holy Ghost signify?
Three things are comprehended in it. 1. That Christ was miraculously conceived in the womb of the Virgin, by the immediate action, or operation of the Holy Ghost, without the seed and substance of man, so that his human nature was formed from his mother alone, contrary to the order of things which God has established in nature, as it is said, “The power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.” (Luke 1:35
.) If it be here objected, that God has also formed us, we reply, that we have been formed mediately, and not immediately as Christ was, from which it is evident that the examples are not the same.
2. The Holy Ghost miraculously sanctified that which was conceived and produced in the womb of the Virgin, so that original sin did not attach itself to that which was thus formed; for it did not become the Word, the Son of God, to assume a nature polluted with sin, for the following reasons: 1 . That he might be a pure sacrifice ; for it behooved him to make satisfaction for sin. 2. That he might also, by his purity, sanctify others. 3. That we might know that whatever the Son says is truth ; for that which is born of flesh, which is sinful, and not sanctified, is flesh, falsehood and vanity.
Obj. But Christ was born of a mother that was a sinner. Therefore he himself had sin. Ans. The Holy Ghost knows best how to distinguish and separate sin from the nature of man ; for sin is not from the nature of man, but was added to it from the devil.
3. That the hypostatical union of the two natures, the divine and the human, was formed by the same Holy Ghost, in the womb of the Virgin, immediately and at the very moment of his conception.
The meaning, therefore, of this article, he was conceived by the Holy Ghost, is, that the Holy Ghost was the immediate author of the miraculous conception of the flesh of Christ that he separated all impurity of original sin from that which was thus conceived, and united the flesh with the Word in a personal union in the very moment of conception.
He was born of the Virgin Mary. It behooved the Messiah to be born of the Virgin according to the predictions of the prophets, that he might be a High Priest without sin, and the type or figure of our spiritual regeneration, which is not of the will of flesh, but of God. Hence it is added in the Creed, that Christ was born of the Virgin Mary :
1. That the truth of the human nature assumed by the Son of God might thus be signified, that is to say, that Christ was conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, and was born a true man from the substance of Mary his mother; or, the flesh of Christ, although miraculously conceived, was nevertheless taken, and born of the Virgin.
2. That we may know that Christ has descended from the fathers from whom Mary also was, that is to say, that he was the true seed of Abraham, being born from his seed, and that he was the Son of David, being born from the daughter of David, according to the prophecies and promises.
3. That we may know that the Scriptures are fulfilled, which declared, “Behold a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son.” “The seed of the woman shall bruise the serpent s head.” (Is. 7:14
. Gen. 3:15
.) From this fulfillment of prophecy, by which it was foretold that Christ should be born of a Virgin of the family of David, and that by a miraculous conception, which the prophets did in a manner foretell, it is most clearly manifest that this man Jesus, born of the Virgin, is the promised Messiah, or the Christ, the redeemer of the human race.
4. That we may know that Christ was sanctified in the womb of the Virgin, by the power of the Holy Ghost, and is, therefore, pure and without sin.
5. That we may know that there is an analogy between the nativity of Christ, and the regeneration of the faithful; for the birth of Christ of the Virgin is a sign of our spiritual regeneration, which is not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
2013年05月18日 19点05分 3
此评论反驳了 "圣灵是基督的父亲"的声明
2013年05月18日 19点05分
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_FicusCarica 楼主

Question 36. What profit dost thou receive by Christ's holy conception and nativity?
Answer. That he is our mediator, and with his innocence and perfect holiness covers, in the sight of God, my sins, wherein I was conceived and brought forth.
2013年05月18日 19点05分 4
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2013年05月18日 19点05分 6
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_FicusCarica 楼主
@任大弟兄 , @
沙漠修士 ,你们怎么翻译这句话 "Therefore, inasmuch as our nature sinned, Christ took this upon himself, and not a nature created out of nothing, or brought down from heaven".
2013年05月18日 22点05分 7
2013年05月18日 22点05分
姐妹,这两天你知道我在忙什么,也许需要你帮我审阅翻译。等忙完了,好好看此贴。
2013年05月18日 23点05分
你的翻译没错, 但我个人并不认同这句话-基督的人性存在著从无到有的过程。
2013年05月19日 09点05分
回复 Gallifreian :The Bible records and tells us that our Lord has taken all the sins of the world onto Himself <John 1:29-39>. This implies that the human nature Jesus took on signifies the world.
2013年05月20日 03点05分
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因我们罪的缘故,基督自己穿上了这样的人性,不是无中生有产生的人性,也不是从天上将人性带下来。
2013年05月19日 08点05分 8
你在过去,翻译 made 为创造,现在真正的词 created (创造)来了,为什么你不把它翻译为创造?
2013年05月20日 03点05分
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道的父是天父, 基督是道成肉身, 而其肉身是圣灵感孕的, 这并不是说「造其身体者是圣灵」, 因为神只有一个, 「创造」人性的只会是神, 三位格是同尊同荣同创造的。
2013年05月19日 09点05分 9
however, holy spirit is, in a sense, the "agent" of creation.(see genesis 1:2; luke1:35), that's why I said "the holy spirit 'created' Jesus's human nature."
2013年05月19日 09点05分
回复 Gallifreian :The Holy Ghost sanctified that which was conceived and produced in the womb of the Virgin, so that original sin did not attach itself to that which was thus formed --- that is one role of the Holy Spirit in the act of Incarnation.
2013年05月20日 03点05分
回复 _FicusCarica :I have no idea how come people can explain luke 1:35 with such detail, it's the eternal mystery that what holy spirit has done in order to "make", let just put it this way, Christ's body, we really can't say much about it.
2013年05月20日 10点05分
回复 _FicusCarica :On the other hand, such statement also has one weakness: does it mean without the extra-work of holy spirit, Christ's human nature has sin? no, right? it's a completely new, and independent creation unlike the rest of the world which has been polluted by sin
2013年05月20日 10点05分
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为什么我对“Holy Ghost”一词相当不喜欢?
2013年05月20日 10点05分 10
Me too
2013年05月20日 12点05分
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_FicusCarica 楼主
In this commentary there are two important points to be noted:
(1) The office of mediator demanded in Christ, our deliverer, a true human nature taken from ours, which had sinned, and which was to be redeemed through him, .... Therefore, inasmuch as our nature sinned, Christ took this upon himself, and not a nature created out of nothing, or brought down from heaven, 调解员的位置要求在基督里,我们的拯救者,取一个我们真实的人性,犯了罪的, 要通过他赎回的..,....因此,因为我们的本性犯了罪,基督把这个本性取在自己身上,而 (这个本性)不是一个 从无到有创造的,或从天上降下来, 的本性。
(2) It would, indeed, be reproachful to God if he were to be changed into a creature; but that he should be united with a created nature, without a change of his own essence,.. 这的确是对神的非难, 如果神要成为一个受造物,但神应该是与受造物的本性联合,而不改变自己的本性。--- ----我理解为: 基督与罪人联合,但基督不是一个罪人, "基督并没有成为罪人(受造物")
2013年05月20日 12点05分 11
我倾向于同意这个评注: 基督的人性不是 从无到有创造的, 它表示全人类. 这也解释了重要的经文: (约1:29) "次日,约翰看见耶稣来到他那里,就说:“看哪, 神的羔羊,背负世人罪孽的"
2013年05月20日 12点05分
2013年05月21日 02点05分
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_FicusCarica, 这次的战火是你们挑起的,所以,你们理当有翻译全文,以飨读者的优先权。这是我第三次问你,你要不要翻译?(头两次被任大删了。)若你不翻,我翻。给个话,大家好办事。[笑眼]
2013年05月21日 00点05分 12
如果斑马老师同意,我期待着翻译全文.
2013年05月21日 00点05分
回复 _FicusCarica :唉,沟通真难。说的再简单点:那系列的对话你要不要翻译?你不翻,我翻!给个话。干斑马啥事啊!
2013年05月21日 00点05分
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I will post these discussions on various US theological and Christian forums.
2013年05月21日 00点05分 13
记得把url贴出来。奇文,肯定是要【共享】的。不是吗?
2013年05月21日 00点05分
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