不用在感慨了,三杯茶就是一部彻底的谎言
三杯茶吧
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作者被指控内容造价,已经被调查了。
可惜,还以为是一个真实而美好的故事……
2011年04月21日 21点04分 1
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很多学校被指出建完之后一直在荒废中;作者用别人捐献的钱来宣传他的新书;被绑架那件事也说是伪造的,那个村子里的人当时对他很好,现在村民正准备告mortenson毁谤。
嗯,直接google英文搜索greg mortenson得到的资料会更全面一点
2011年05月11日 11点05分 3
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2011年06月05日 13点06分 4
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真相大白,偶像沦为呕像。《三杯茶》真实名应为《三杯谎》。
这本书果断不看了,一个美丽的故事,一个虚假的谎言。
2011年06月05日 13点06分 5
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求真相
2011年08月20日 12点08分 7
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I decided to profile Rajeev because I felt comfortable with his attitude toward development work, which had started during his own years in the Peace Corps. He was not a self-promoter; despite having organized an impressive water project in the village where he served, Rajeev’s story hadn’t found its way into the American press. He tended to be highly critical of his work, and he talked more about failures than successes. He often referred to key lessons he had learned from villagers. He had resisted the impulse to expand, because he recognized how hard it is to have a positive effect in even a small community. Most important, he had made a real commitment to Nepal. He had lived there for years, mostly at the village level, and he spoke the language fluently.
之所以会去采访拉杰夫,是因为他对支援开发工作的态度让我感觉很舒服,他也是从和平队开始了自己的志愿者生涯。拉杰夫曾在自己所服务的村庄里帮助修建了一项浩大的水利工程,但由于他本人过于低调,所以美国媒体上鲜见关于他的事迹报道。拉杰夫对工作一直秉承着高度的批判精神,他很少提及成功,失败的案例倒是经常会谈起。他常常提起自己从那些村民们身上所学到的关键知识。拉杰夫一直压抑着自己的开发冲动,因为他知道,即便是在一个小小的村子里,这种开发行为要想产生积极作用也是非常艰难的。在这些品行中,我觉得最重要的是他一直恪守着对尼泊尔的实际承诺。他在尼泊尔生活了很多年,绝大部分时间都待在村子里,本地话也讲得十分流利。
I’ve never seen evidence that Greg Mortenson exhibits these qualities. He’s the hero of his books, and he believes in scale, speed, and the constant need for more money and more construction. He shows no special knowledge of Pakistan or Afghanistan. In fact, he spends very little time in Central Asia, as Krakauer’s report illustrates. Mortenson refused to be interviewed by either Krakauer or “60 Minutes,” and as of yet he has made few responses to the allegations. But even his limited statements have been telling. Outside magazine asked Mortenson whether he had fabricated the dramatic opening episode of “Three Cups of Tea,” citing the testimony of both American climbing partners and local villagers, who said that Mortenson had not been there during the period he described. Mortenson blamed any confusion on the local culture, explaining, “It’s worth noting that in the Balti language of northeast Pakistan, there is little or no emphasis on tenses, and ‘now’ can mean a few minutes, weeks, or even a whole season. The Balti find westerners’ emphasis on time confusing.”
但在葛瑞格·摩顿森身上,我看不到类似的品质。他是自己书中的英雄,他的眼里只有规模、速度以及对更多资金和更多项目无休止的需求。摩顿森并没有展示出他在巴基斯坦和阿富汗学到的特殊知识,事实上,正如科莱考尔在报告中提及的那样,他在中亚待的时间并不长。摩顿森拒绝接受科莱考尔和“60分钟”节目组的采访,而迄今为止他也没有针对上述指控作出任何回应。极为有限的声明是他在接受《Outside》杂志采访时被捅出来的:来自其登山同伴和当地村民的证词表明,摩顿森在书中所记述的那段时间里根本就不在事发地,杂志引用了这些证词,并向他求证是否虚构了《三杯茶》一书中跌宕起伏的起始章节。而摩顿森则轻描淡写的将这一切归咎于文化交流上的障碍,他解释说,“值得注意的是,巴基斯坦东北部巴尔蒂人(Balti)的语言很少或根本不强调时态,‘现在’可能意味着几分钟、几个礼拜甚至整个季度之前。西方人对时态的强调让巴尔蒂人感到迷惑。”

2011年12月10日 06点12分 11
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I know nothing about the Balti language, but I recognize the tone of Mortenson’s statement. It’s the kind of simplified generalization that tends to be made by an individual with a shallow understanding of a language and a culture. Chinese also has no past tense; does this mean that the people don’t understand time? Or that history is unimportant, or that they speak of the past without accuracy? Such analysis is disrespectful; it’s a way of exoticizing and infantilizing a foreign culture. In this case it also seems highly evasive.
对于巴尔蒂人的语言,我是个门外汉,但我能感觉到摩顿森在作这番表述时的语气。那是一种简而言之的概括方式,这是那些对语言对文化理解浅薄的人经常会使用的伎俩。汉语中也没有过去时态;但这就意味着中国人无法理解时间概念?难道说历史对他们不重要?缺少精确的时间他们如何谈及过去?这样的分析太过无礼;这是一种将外国文化异化幼稚化的恶劣行径。所以说,摩顿森的这番话是彻头彻尾的托辞。
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Another reason I’ve always had trouble talking about Mortenson’s books is that it’s hard to give an alternative for people who feel the need to act. Even before the reports of C.A.I.’s mismanagement, I saw little value in this model of development. It’s centered around a foreigner, and the foreigner has no special expertise in either education or Central Asia. Even a balanced and reasonable individual is likely to fail in this situation. Mostly, I don’t believe that problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan stem from a lack of money or a lack of school buildings. There are deep-rooted cultural issues, as there are in any part of the developing world, where obstacles tend to be complicated and localized. Contact is the most critical starting point—it helps to have foreigners living in and learning about these places, just as it helps to have Central Asians studying abroad. As knowledge deepens, the people involved are more likely to find solutions to local problems. But most folks who read “Three Cups of Tea” are not interested in living in northwestern Pakistan and learning how to speak Pashto. They want to donate money from a distance, and they want to be part of something that shows tangible, physical results, like a new school building.
对于那些有志于从事志愿活动的人来说,从摩顿森的书中很难找出富有建设性的建议来,这是我不愿谈及其作品的另一个原因。甚至在读到披露中亚协会管理失当的报告之前,我也看不出这种开发模式有何可取之处。它只是以某个外国人为中心,而且这个外国人并不具备教育学或中亚文化方面的专业技能。即便是一个稳重理性的人,面对这种情景也会遭遇失败。更关键的是,我认为阿富汗和巴基斯坦的问题并不是缺钱或缺教室所导致的。和所有发展中国家的遭遇一样,这其中有根深蒂固的文化因素在作怪,这种无形的阻碍不仅复杂,而且充满地域性。接触是最关键的出发点——它有助于外国人融入和了解所支援的当地,同时也有助于当地人了解西方。随着理解的进一步加深,志愿者们才更有可能找到本土问题的解决之道。但我估计《三杯茶》一书的大部分读者对于住到巴基斯坦东北部同时学习普什图语并无兴趣。他们只是希望远远的捐献点钱,然后感受一下那些有形资产如新校舍所带来的满足感。

2011年12月10日 06点12分 12
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三杯茶ネあ◢づ∠◥╭①Θ■
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2012年01月14日 13点01分 16
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又搜到一段 受打击了
After selling only conservative numbers in hardback, Three Cups of Tea took off when it went into paperback, selling more than three million copies worldwide and providing an unexpected boon for Mortenson, the institute, and Penguin. CBS also questions whether money raised by the CAI ostensibly for new schools may have gone to promoting the book, including private jet travel for Mortenson. The suggestion that the book is not quite the strict memoir it purports to be will distress many of Mortenson's myriad fans. Arguably, the most compelling section of the book – that he stumbled on the village of Korphe, where his mission to build schools began, after becoming lost while attempting an ascent of K2, the Himalayan mountain – is seemingly also one of its most fanciful.
2012年08月08日 07点08分 17
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我看到后续报道 mortenson是做了澄清的 而且说它是谎言都是基于电视台60 mins那个节目的报道 而那个节目的信息来源只是Krakaue这个人片面的说法 这个人也是一个畅销书作家 是否因为竞争或者过节才发表对Mortenson不利的言论也说不清楚 mortenson澄清之后 再无任何媒体和官方出来质疑 直到现在也没有司法机关介入实质调查 是真是假 我们说了不算 事实尚且不明

2012年08月08日 08点08分 18
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真的假的阿
2015年04月29日 11点04分 20
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作者从英雄论为骗子,但书中的摩顿森依旧会是我心中的英雄
2018年12月29日 14点12分 22
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