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Time杂志做的杰昆专题,里面有对杰昆的采访,谈了The Master TIME: Have you seen The Master? Joaquin Phoenix: I’ve seen a rough version, with no score. I thought it was a comedy. I did! I laughed the entire time I was watching it. I was sitting with Paul and I said to him, “This is hilarious.” I have this horrible sense of humor where I think discomfort is funny—partly because I experience discomfort a lot, and it’s a way of laughing at it and getting a release. There’s an incredible scene in which Freddie has to answer a barrage of questions from Dodd, without pausing or blinking, becoming increasingly agitated. I’ve seen the movie twice, and both times you could feel the entire audience let out their breath when Dodd finally says, “Close your eyes.” How did you, Paul, and Philip prepare for that scene? Magicians don’t talk about how their tricks work, because people would go, [affects prim, nasally tone] “Oh, that’s all you do?” [laughs] No, we work very hard! We are working. Very. Hard. Paul set up two cameras to capture us from both sides, so we could be in the moment and not be worried about shooting the one side and then re-lighting and shooting from the other side. That made a huge difference. We spent the most amount of time on the very last bit, when Phil smokes a cigarette and says, “I like Kools.” I started laughing every time he said “I like Kools” and kept blowing the take. And then you’d hear Paul start laughing and I’d start laughing again. It’s funny to think of it as an intense scene, because my memory of it is just uncontrollable laughter. (MORE: TIME’s Complete Coverage of the Venice Film Festival, including Richard Corliss’s The Master review) We learn so much about Freddie through how he walks and moves. What were the keys to his physicality for you? First, Paul will write many, many scenes that won’t make it into the movie. There were a lot of scenes where we saw what Freddie had experienced in the war, and a lot of the physical damage that had occurred. There is reference to some of that in the beginning of the film. He was physically scarred as much as emotionally scarred by his experience in the war. Then Paul kept sending me all these songs by artists from the period, Judy Garland, Nat King Cole. A lot of the songs also had references to physical damage. If you’ve ever seen a stray dog that’s skin and bones and has a limp and is on the streets—that’s Freddie. Paul gave me a film called On the Bowery [a semi-scripted depiction of Manhattan’s Skid Row]. That was astonishing to me, because I’d never seen alcoholism depicted like that. That was huge and important. Also Let There Be Light [John Huston’s documentary about traumatized World War II veterans]. These are guys who are clearly damaged. I told Paul that I was going to do things that would probably feel very uncomfortable to me, that I didn’t know if they would work, and I would rely on him to tell me. I guarantee if you saw some of the rushes you would think I was the worst thing in the world. It’s a process I don’t completely understand. I don’t know that I want to. You told the New York Times that Paul showed you a video of a monkey falling asleep and said, “That’s you.” But what does it mean to be the monkey? Paul called me Bubbles on the set. Bubbles was Michael Jackson’s pet monkey, and I was Paul’s pet monkey. The key to Freddie is an animal, just pure id. For the scene where he’s arrested and put in jail and all that, I just watched videos of wild animals that get into suburbia. If you’ve seen video of a deer or a bear that finds its way into suburbia and the cops have to tranquilize it, it seems as if the brain stops working. If they’re cornered, they’ll slam into walls, or one leg tries to go left while the other is going right. It’s complete fear and chaos. They can’t control themselves at all. That was the key to Freddie. And Paul certainly called me his pet monkey. And did you appreciate that, Joaquin? I did, I didn’t mind it at all! I love having a master. I have no problem serving my director. That’s my job. I want to make them happy.
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