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铁王座的继承权研究 感谢@monica0513 提出的这个问题。 我查了国外论坛的很多讨论,现在我倾向于相信铁王座遵循的律法是男性优先半萨利克(直系男>旁系男>直系女)制。简而言之,如果不考虑因为叛国剥夺继承权的话,现在的继承顺位应该托曼>史坦尼斯>弥塞拉>席琳 我夜观星象,知道楼下肯定有人会说继承权算个P谁有兵权天下就是谁的。这地球都知道好吧。我们这里就讨论法理上的继承顺位。 首先明确一点,自血龙狂舞后,在坦格利安阶段,铁王座的继承一直执行的是半萨利克制。这一点应该没什么争议。@受神祝福的贝勒 死后,@丹娜·坦格利安 没有继承王位而是韦赛里斯二室继承王位就是这个原理。这里还有马丁如是说确认了此说法,一会儿帖链接。 那么龙家疯疯挂掉以后,理应由韦赛里斯继承王位。劳勃坐上了铁王座,因此被成为了篡夺者,也毫不过分。但可能有人还不清楚为什么是劳勃坐上了铁王座而不是奶德或者琼恩艾林。这是因为劳勃确实有龙家血统。乍听上去劳勃作为拜拉席恩,继承顺位得排到九霄云外了,但事实是劳勃的继承顺位仅次于韦赛里斯和丹妮莉丝,自己排一下就知道。综上,即便是篡夺者无误,劳勃坐上铁王座也沾了继承顺位的光。 那么劳勃坐上铁王座以后,铁王座的继承权究竟是延续直系男>旁系男>直系女呢,还是执行更为通行的直系男>直系女>旁系男呢? 我调查了一下,只找到了一个证据。 蓝礼。降下叛旗,在天亮之前投效于我,我将封你为风息堡公爵,并保留你在御前会议中的重臣席位,甚至在我儿子出生前,我仍旧把你指定为我的继承人。你若不照办,别怪我不客气。” 史坦尼斯提出在儿子出生前“仍旧”把蓝礼制定为继承人。大家知道史坦尼斯是有个女儿的,也就是说,蓝礼的王位继承权在史坦尼斯的女儿之前。这符合了半萨利克制。 有没有可能是史坦尼斯为蓝礼开出了特殊的优待条件呢?有可能。不过这恰恰是史坦尼斯啊,如果说维斯特洛还有一个人不愿改变律法,那就是史坦尼斯了吧。更何况“仍旧”。 还有个间接证据 国王摘下王冠,放到桌上。“不管是侏儒还是水蛭干的,反正于国于民是桩好事。他们一定会派人来迎接我了。” “他们不会,”梅莉珊卓道,“乔佛里还有个弟弟。” “托曼。”国王不情不愿地说出名字。 “他们会给托曼加冕,以他之名继续统治。” 这里提到了托曼,却未提弥塞拉,所以弥塞拉有可能是在史坦尼斯之后的。 因此我认为拜拉席恩家族控制下的铁王座继承权实际上延续了龙家的直系男>旁系男>直系女的顺序。这一点和电视剧里的说法也是吻合的。(话说我觉得电视剧没必要改这个) 我二楼附上一下westeros论坛的链接,里面都是讨论这个内容的,作为参考。
【冰火维基征求翻译】WHO FATHERED ASHARA DAYNE’S CHILD? 要求人名地名尽量翻译准确。别的没了 A Dance with Dragons provided new information regarding Ashara Dayne, including the fact that according to Ser Barristan she gave birth to a stillborn daughter, and “shortly after” threw herself from a tower in Starfall, driven mad with grief. It’s probable that Barristan was not a personal witness to the birth (which must have happened in the course of the war, given her death shortly after at the war’s end) or the death (since that was at Starfall while Barristan was at King’s Landing), but was operating on such information he had received from others. So it’s possible that the report of a daughter could be entirely wrong. Assuming it is not wrong, however, we have this other piece of information from Barristan: that her death may also have been “for the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal as well,” and that he wondered that if he had won at the tourney at Harrenhal, would ” she have looked to [him] instead of Stark?” Clearly, Barristan believes it was a Stark that was the father of her child, and the obvious conclusion is that he’s referring to Eddard Stark… Or is it so obvious? Because in this novel, we also learn of the proclivities of Brandon Stark, a man who had the “wolf blood” in him, making him quite a different kind of man from his brother. Lady Barbrey Dustin reveals that she was lover to Brandon in her youth, and that he was a man who was used to taking what he wanted, and the he loved the sight of “blood on his sword” (both literally and figuratively). Consider that Brandon was taller and handsomer than Eddard, that he was the best sword and lance of the brothers (SSM), that he wasn’t so shy that he needed to send someone to speak to Ashara and ask her to dance with him. The common tale is that Eddard loved Ashara, and that she loved him. Even Edric repeats it, as that’s how it’s told in Starfall. But one could conceive a situation where Ashara dances with Eddard… and decides his older brother seems much more interesting, and Brandon—being the sort of man he was—ends up going to bed with her. Some have cried foul at this idea, that Brandon would never do such a thing to Eddard, but what has he done to Eddard? He attempted to help him with Ashara, and she simply seemed more interested in him than in Ned (according to this view). Unless one wants to remove all agency from Ashara, so that she’s helpless to make a choice that Eddard doesn’t permit, the possibility has to exist. There’s no firm proof of this theory. But there is one thing that might be indicative: Barristan neverseems to think of Eddard Stark in a negative way—indeed, he goes out of his way to defend him when Daenerys sees him only as one of Robert’s “dogs”— whereas he thinks of this “Stark” who “dishonored” Ashara, the woman he loved with all his heart, with an apparent unhappiness. Can that be reconciled? It seems unlikely, though not impossible. The evidence against? Everyone seems sure that Ashara and Eddard had a tryst, and some believe that led to his bastard son. But against that, one might note that if Brandon didsleep with her and get her with child, it was at a rather sensitive point in time, with his betrothal to Catelyn in place and his marriage not far from commencing. Could it be that Eddard took the blame for the idle gossipers, to avoid an embarrassment for the Starks and Tullys? One can imagine that that would fall within his character, while Barristan and some others within the royal circles—where Ashara had been a lady-in-waiting—might have known the truth of it. In the end, there are no firm facts to determine the question one way or another, or even whether Ashara really did have a stillborn daughter. However, Barristan’s choice of words leaves open the possibility that Brandon Stark, not Eddard Stark, was the father of this alleged child
【关于新版剧透规定之我的看法】 当初制定禁止标题剧透的时候,必然也是出于好意,但我觉得这项规定如今值得商榷。 先说建议:以中文书为准限制剧透。书出到卷二就限制到卷二 书发行了卷五就限制到卷五。 首先,我从来没看过海贼王,但是当我进入海贼王贴吧的同时,我也能预见到我将会看到大量剧透。这事在冰火吧显然也是一样的,来冰火吧之前,一个正常人都应该能预见到将会遭到剧透,既然仍然选择来,就应该不怕才对。 不可否认,的确有剧集党搞不清楚冰与火之歌和权力的游戏的区别,把这里误当剧集讨论区,反而遭到剧透的。且不论剧集党求剧透的比怕剧透的还多,先说我认为剧集党不应该属于这个吧的保护对象,因为剧集党对这个吧的破坏比建设还多。 我深知我放了一个地图炮,刺伤了广大剧集党纯洁的心灵。没有电视剧,冰火绝不会有今天的影响力,但是具体到本吧,却绝对是原著党添砖加瓦建起来的。或者本来就不该有原著党和剧集党之分,作为原著吧,只应有看过书和没看过书的区分,我认为,没看过书的我们可以引导,帮助,但真正看过书的才是本吧的核心,本吧质量与活力的来源,需要保护。 回到正题。我认为现有制度对没看过书的人很友好,但对看过书的人不怎么友好。我呆在冰火吧也一年了,看见很多人发帖被删,原因标题剧透。标题剧透者无非是罗柏死了、小乔死了这些连没看过书的人都耳熟能详的事实。这其中有剧透毕业来提问的,但我觉得更多是自己看过书后来发帖参与讨论的。 当然现在吧主很负责,都告知了删贴原因,让其重发。但如果是我的话,第一次发帖就被删,我会想这个吧雷区太多,于是敬而远之。另外我还难免会认为此吧都是看电视剧的,因故禁止剧透。 事实就是这样,你保护了没读书的,没读书的不会因此说一句谢谢你,但你同时伤害和误导了潜在的真正读者会员。 促使我发帖的主要还是最近禁止一楼剧透的规定。原来禁止标题剧透,还可以理解。现在禁止一楼剧透,试想满篇的一楼喂XX,出现在首页,我只觉得蛋疼不已。 但其实必然不会出现满篇的一楼喂XX。 相信我,几乎没有人先看吧规再发帖的,尤其是对于贴吧。 所以更多的(新来的)人根本不会注意到贴吧有一楼禁止剧透的规定,也想不到竟然会有这么一个规定。什么是剧透?吧主说得清吗?能定义吗?举个例子“异鬼为什么害怕龙晶”算剧透么?如果是新人发帖算么?如果是老人发帖呢? 于是我们将会看到的是各种我的帖子怎么被删了、那个帖子剧透了你怎么不删、哪里剧透了吧主出来解释下等等等。 瞧瞧我为保护剧集党做了什么。 此观点纯属个人观点,不代表其他任何人。完。
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